TBH neither would make my "top 15 civs deserving three leaders" list. (Two French leaders--one post-Revolution and one Ancien Regime--would be very reasonable. But maybe not in the base game.)
I agree with both of you. I’m just speaking in the sense of I had to pick one over the other. I will say I think Lafayette is a great choice in a vacuum though. I hope DLC leaders are a bit more diverse geographically speaking.
I agree. If he'd been the "connect your account" bonus, I'd have been very willing to connect my account for him. (Though I do appreciate that they were considerate enough to make it easy to keep Napoleon out of my game. Apparently they didn't actually want me to connect my account. )
His endeavor is really really powerful too. While you have the negative of giving an opponent an extra civic slot too, you probably can do one of that with each AI, so you get multiple extra civic slots.
Amazing how knowing that Napoleon is yet to appear makes this leader choice feel significantly worse than it should.
Well that and the two American leaders that already exist good grief. AND the two (non-Napoleon) Euro leaders that are yet to come. The modern leader roster is whiter than a toothpaste commercial.
No complaint about the abilities themselves. They're interesting. (Similar to Napoleon in Civ5 Vanilla, which was notably busted)
I know the FL pitches France, but Mexican Lafayette is going to be a treat (and ironically a MORTAL ENEMY of Benjamin Franklin)
He's an interesting choice of leader, but I would reserve him for additional content. I’m really not a fan of France and America having so many leaders at launch (France can have 3 leaders if you count Charlemagne, or even 4 if you consider Napoleon having two personas). The distribution of leaders is completely disproportionate.
I like Lafayette, but I’m not sure this was necessary. Do we really need 3 American and 3 French leaders, especially when so many civs are still leaderless?
On the topic of too many Western leaders, I’ll live with it. Won’t even be surprised if this is their low-key compromise for having “not enough” Western civs in the base roster.
On the topic of too many Western leaders, I’ll live with it. Won’t even be surprised if this is their low-key compromise for having “not enough” Western civs in the base roster.
Wait, it's Supports. You basically are better off supporting the endeavor than accepting or refusing. Lafayette learnt diplomacy in Machiavelli's school.
Abilities seem like fun. Not my first pick, but I'll definitely want to play him at some point...
In a game where leaders want to associate with multiple civs, he's a good thematic fit.
And I am glad to see another leader with a coast start bias! I've been worried that a bunch of start biases (navigable rivers, coast, mountains) which later civs care about seem under-represented among leaders... As someone who likes to plan in advance quite a lot, I'd really like to see more of this.
Depending on how staunch one may be on this topic, sometimes you just gotta say “okay, bud, sure” and move onto the next one.
Or one could think a bit out of the box and realize that you can now pick any of the Western leaders and essentially Westernize whatever non-Western civ path you choose. Something along the lines of “The ancient Egyptians won by choosing Napoleon as their leader”
Really good choice. Yeah, there are too many European leaders, and too many associated with France and America. But that doesn't stop him from being the best of the crop. Or at least the most interesting of the bunch to play as for me currently.
And I see he's got no second person, phew.
The name butchering in the video is hard to stand, but at least his own french is nice sounding
Chapeau, Firaxis, for this unexpected positive surprise (which goes hand in hand with the well-designed french empire).
Inadvertently, the roster of Euro Civs needs to be expanded or you get silliness such as "Lafayette leads Majapahit" and "Augustus leads the Mayans" every game.
I know that technically every leader could lead any civ but the inclusion of more Euro leaders than there are Euro Civs is doing whatever the opposite of "a miracle" is to my immersion.
Since leaders are detached from civilizations:
Francis Marion (could unlock America & Britain)
Lafayette (could unlock America & France)
Pulaski (could unlock America & Poland)
Called it!!!!
Though my hopes for Lafayette were renewed with the announcement of Civ VII, I was asking for him to lead France back on the Firaxis forums way back when Civ V was first announced!
He definitely pairs very well with France's abilities!
I'm definitely leaning towards playing as him and Greek->Normans->France in my first game on Feb. 6th
Firaxis, I wholeheartedly disagree with all the anti-American and Europhobic comments on this thread.
We need more Western Leaders, especially those associated with America (even if not themselves American)
Let's definitely get Pulaski down the line and synergize him with the Polish civ if one comes to Civ VII
WOW, what a surprise to come back from lunch to. 2 Civ reveals in this economy?
Love his abilities, I'm looking forward to trying it out, makes you really flexible with retaining your traditions each age.
Am I the only one a little disappointed he didn't look like Daveed Diggs? How soon until we get that Hamilton mod?
Called it!!!!
Though my hopes for Lafayette were renewed with the announcement of Civ VII, I was asking for him to lead France back on the Firaxis forums way back when Civ V was first announced!
He definitely pairs very well with France's abilities!
I'm definitely leaning towards playing as him and Greek->Normans->France in my first game on Feb. 6th
Firaxis, I wholeheartedly disagree with all the anti-American and Europhobic comments on this thread.
We need more Western Leaders, especially those associated with America (even if not themselves American)
Let's definitely get Pulaski down the line and synergize him with the Polish civ if one comes to Civ VII
I wouldn't say people are being anti-American or Europhobic but rather there is a wish for a more diverse selection of leaders. I personally think Africa needs a lot more attention in leader department, currently.
I agree I'd like to see more diversity, at the same time I do like the leaders' abilities a lot so far. More than the civs if i'm honest... So I guess I don't feel THAT strongly about it...
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