New Sheriff in town

[mechaerik]

Don't use words I don't understand, and am too lazy to Google!

Provincialism. Sort of like how you are under the impression North Massachusetts is separate from regular Massachusetts.

 

[Double A]

And if they start playing IOTs, you will have ample opportunity to nuke the everloving hell out of them.

 

[Terrance888]

But... I want to play and I don't want to get the Hell nuked out of me! I need Hell to power my backstabbing betrayals!

 

[Double A]

Yeah, I can definitely do that.

 

[Tani Coyote]

NES and IOT are both very broad terms and include lots of things. It seems the level for complexity in NESes tends to be higher at minimum, but really, the more complex IOTs look like NESes. It seems like we've just cut the lower half of complexity from the upper for no real reason apart from tradition.

Since IOT would count towards post count, furthermore, that would probably mean much less spam in IOT. Players would need to actually make more condensed, detailed posts than "Declare war on so and so." Or at the very least, they couldn't declare war, make peace next post, declare war again, etc. As has happened before.

While I've never tried an NES, the NESers themselves who've played IOTs say there's not as much a distinction as one would think. It sounds like it's a social construct rather than something of any value.

 

[Sonereal]

I wouldn't mind a merge.

 

[NinjaCow64]

Remerging everything under Forum Games is a super bad idea. The entire population of people who play Mafia would riot, including me.

Merging IOT and NES? Meh, for some reason I don't think that is a good idea either. While IOTs and NESes are similar, their cultures are very different. It would be like merging Spain and Portugal, it just doesn't feel right.

 

[Double A]

We should merge Spain and Portugal under the mighty kingdom of Andorra.

 

[Sonereal]

There are such things called integration and assimilation.

 

[SouthernKing]

2.) I honestly really, really dislike a good portion of the NES community, including you.

Please, keep it civilized. Personal opinions of other members are not a good reason for/against merging.

 

[mechaerik]

Remerging everything under Forum Games is a super bad idea. The entire population of people who play Mafia would riot, including me.

Merging IOT and NES? Meh, for some reason I don't think that is a good idea either. While IOTs and NESes are similar, their cultures are very different. It would be like merging Spain and Portugal, it just doesn't feel right.

That's a bad example.

 

[Mosher]

Please, keep it civilized. Personal opinions of other members are not a good reason for/against merging.

I am keeping it civilized... I could say "I bloody goddamn hate you and your ilk," but I did not.

 

[Dachs]

I don't want to merge because

1.) They ARE different games - IOTs are a lot more like Risk than actual simulators, while NESes are more about stories/simulating.

2.) I honestly really, really dislike a good portion of the NES community, including you.

There is no one notion of "what a NES is". We run Risk games. We run Diplomacy games. We run "just screw around" games. We run games that aim for realism via mathematical models, and we run games that aim for realism via the knowledge and "common sense" of the mod. We run games where the moderator decides everything, and we run games where the moderator decides nothing. IOTs would fit in very well as one type of game among many.

I honestly don't know why you dislike me so much, because I've literally never seen you before, unless you've changed your CFC username. And I'd hope that you wouldn't decide whether to join the NES forum or not based on little old me - I barely do anything there these days, and most of the younger NESers probably don't know jack about me or the way I do things. It's perfectly possible to have a fruitful NESing career while avoiding me entirely.

I am keeping it civilized... I could say "I bloody goddamn hate you and your ilk," but I did not.

The feeling isn't mutual.

Remerging everything under Forum Games is a super bad idea. The entire population of people who play Mafia would riot, including me.

Yeah, that's not what fc meant.

Merging IOT and NES? Meh, for some reason I don't think that is a good idea either. While IOTs and NESes are similar, their cultures are very different. It would be like merging Spain and Portugal, it just doesn't feel right.

The point is that there is no one NES culture. There are already a bunch of cliques, with varying degrees of inbreeding. You'd just be one among many.

 

[Mosher]

The feeling isn't mutual.

I don't feel that way, I was just using it as an example of how I wasn't being "uncivilized," as SK put it. You guys just come across as snobbish to me. You guys can be nice blokes at times, but I really just don't see why people are pushing for a merger right now, when it's completely unnecessary and I thus acted a bit rashly with my wording.

 

[Double A]

Dachs is probably the least snobbish NESer I've seen who isn't EQ, and not all of them are snobbish. Maybe it has something to do with this:

I barely do anything there these days

 

[Tee Kay]

As a GM, I found the more unruly players tended to get ganged up on and then they are soon out of the game. The key to IOT strategy is to make friends (allies), so being annoying will not get you many.

Each IOT Game thread is different and the GM tolerances to annoying players differ significantly, depending on the type of game he created. A complex/historical game thread like "Iron and Blood", takes detailed planning and negotiation with other players, it is generally accepted that players take the game seriously.

For this reason, I would like the GM to be considered an "Assistant Moderator" of their particular thread. They can report bad game behaviour (which is against the spirit that the GM is trying to create) to the attention of the Moderator of this forum, who can deal with the user as they deem appropriate. The GM's opinion should carry more weight than any other player in that thread, as the game can be derailed and the enjoyment of others curtailed. In addition, especially a complex game like Iron and Blood, the GM is often doing 100's of hours of behind the scenes work in preparation and game updates.

Birdjaguar, I think that GMs need to be given a signifigant amount of latitude. I mean, they spend days worth of hours a week (on most) to run their games.

In regards to your, "using game mechanics to oust players" comments, I don't think you should do that. Sometimes a nation is ganged up on because they make bad PR decisions, just as would happen in the real world.

Basically, I think you should allow the GMs a wide berth, and mostly deal with things like "bobx21 not allowed to play and GorgeLing run game."

I fully endorse these two posts.

 

[Dachs]

Well, I'm not going to lie, I do tend to be pretty particular about the sort of game I would play. That could be seen as "snobbish" by a lot of people. But I don't begrudge others the chance to play in their own games, regardless of how well those games stack up to the sort of thing I would play, and I'm perfectly capable of recognizing a good game whether I want to play in it or not. Diversity in terms of the sort of games that are going on is a good thing for the subforum - lots of cross-pollination. And an expanded player-base would be good for both IOTers and NESers.

 

[kiwitt]

And an expanded player-base would be good for both IOTers and NESers.

I agree with this.

 

[Double A]

Snobs are picky and then rub it in people's faces. There is nothing wrong with pickyness. Or rubbing.

 

[ZeletDude]

I'm fine with a merger honestly. More people = better games