New Xbox basically kills off used games

I don't work or play 7' away from my computer. Have to admit if I actually sit down with a console I'm a big fan of crosslegged on the floor in front of the tv. Just seems immersive. Then again to keep this in context I watch almost no television or movies on my TV at home, so the expense of a 55' television is significantly out of line for my uses. I usually get by for significantly less cobbling together a box out of spare parts and just replacing components as they need it. Ups the lifecycle of a gaming computer significantly. If you always buy about two generations off the best stuff available on the market you wind up with a computer that runs just find and doesn't eat your pocket book. Major expenses don't really hit until the motherboard itself is finally too out of date to plug new components/cpus into or the monitor gives up the ghost. Definitely come out ahead after the expense of games if you don't want almost entirely new blockbuster releases.
 
If you happen to have a particular shoe size, it's also the distance of the "foot" mentioned on the chart!

Mine's not, though. Nor are most people that I know.
 
Totalbiscuit has a good video on why used games are bad for the industry and that Microsoft's move is to kill Game Stop, not hurt customers. Really when you think about it, this is not a bad move by Microsoft. Game Stop sells tons of games while not giving the publishers and developers a single cent, which is probably why console games are so much more expensive then PC games.
 
I like Gamestop. It's a convenient place to go buy new/used console games and used stuff if I want it right now. They sell used peripherals and used consoles too. Yes, it is more expensive than just buying it off Craigslist, but you pay for the convenience.
 
If console gaming would humble itself to making stuff I actually liked again I might get back into it, but I'm not interested in a bunch of open world TPS extravagggggannnzaa ( Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! ) stuff. I really want:

- Starfox/Rogue Squadron type stuff
- Unpretentious but fun JRPGs ( Think PS2 era )
- Fast, light action games

But so long as console gaming is up its own butt I could really give a hoot.
 
If console gaming would humble itself to making stuff I actually liked again I might get back into it, but I'm not interested in a bunch of open world TPS extravagggggannnzaa ( Sunday! Sunday! Sunday! ) stuff. I really want:

- Starfox/Rogue Squadron type stuff
- Unpretentious but fun JRPGs ( Think PS2 era )
- Fast, light action games

But so long as console gaming is up its own butt I could really give a hoot.

I must agree. I miss the golden age of console gaming (pre-2005).

I am primarily a Nintendo person (since the NES era), but the Wii U is not the way I have hoped for. I also missed the fun and quirky JRPGs for the PS2 (such as both Dark Cloud games (the second one being Dark Cloud 2/Dark Chronicle (same game, different market)) and the Xenosaga trilogy). I still have really good memories of me playing Dark Cloud 2 and how very few recent games can come close to living up to it. To me, Dark Cloud 2 squarely falls under the category of unpretentious but fun JRPGs of the PS2 era, especially with its city-building elements, its anime-style cel-shading, its music, and its memorable characters and the plot.
 
Eventually, most games will move into the cloud and your console/device will only serve as a client to access them over the network. Most of them will be subscriber or free to play type of games used mostly for social networking.

The horror :vomit:

Well, at least they can't take the games I already own.

( Plugs in NES. Gives the "future" of gaming the finger. )
 
The horror :vomit:

Well, at least they can't take the games I already own.

( Plugs in NES. Gives the "future" of gaming the finger. )

The original purpose of games was social interaction and competition. Playing only single player is somewhat antisocial isn't it?
 
Totalbiscuit has a good video on why used games are bad for the industry and that Microsoft's move is to kill Game Stop, not hurt customers. Really when you think about it, this is not a bad move by Microsoft. Game Stop sells tons of games while not giving the publishers and developers a single cent, which is probably why console games are so much more expensive then PC games.

Gamestop essentially frauds people with used games, but the thing is that apparently Microsoft is specifically going to shut down direct sales over the internet.
 
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main

tl;dr

- Have to connect online once at least every 24 hours. (aka the good old "treat every customer as a potential criminal" method of DRM)
- Digital downloads available on release (although that sounds like a good way to lose your entire library when they stop supporting the console).
- All games install to the hard drive (no more pop the disc in and go play right away).
- Something about up to 10 people can use the xbox live and games with their own accounts without having to buy extra copies/subscriptions.
- Bunch of cloud computing crap.
- You can give a game away to a friend, but only once and only if the publisher allows it.
- No rentals or loans.
- Kinect can be turned off, only thing it listens for when the console is off is "Xbox on" and that can be turned off too.
 
I think "once every 24 hours" is reasonable. The problem with most always-on DRM is that, while I may literally always be connected to the internet when I'm at home, the servers at the publisher's end very often fail, especially at launch. "Once every 24 hours" means that, for this to be a problem, the servers will have to be down for more than 24 hours. The problem comes during times when, of course, I'm not online. When I moved into this flat, it took over a month before the internet got hooked up. That was an entire month when I was dependent on my phone for internet. I was also dependent on playing offline, single player games -- which is what the console is perfect for. Having to connect to the internet every 24 hours means that I won't be able to play games that I've actually paid money for at a time when playing games is one of the main ways of passing the time when you have no internet connection. This won't happen often, but when it does happen, it happens at the most annoying time possible. Overall though I'm not too fussed.

Having to log in to your Live account on someone else's computer is a pain in the arse. That's like the most annoying thing in the world, typing your personal password on a screen that EVERYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM can also see, using a freaking twiddle stick to navigate through an on screen keyboard. Nobody is going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm sticking with PS4 (assuming this allows you to play with just the disk and no logging in).
 
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