New Xbox basically kills off used games

Hmm.. what happens though when you fire up your xbox one 20 years from now, and xbox one servers are no longer up and running? There's no way they can maintain online support for all their consoles forever.

Will the xbox one eventually become unusable? That's never the case with things like the original nintendo. I can fire one up whenever I want and play some games.
 
I simply can't get over the concepts of disks being incredibly archaic for digital content.

I mean, imagine still needing to buy and insert compact discs in order to listen to music. Sure, lending your compact disc to your friends is easy, but it's a huge hassle to actually use.

Hmm.. what happens though when you fire up your xbox one 20 years from now, and xbox one servers are no longer up and running? There's no way they can maintain online support for all their consoles forever.

Will the xbox one eventually become unusable? That's never the case with things like the original nintendo. I can fire one up whenever I want and play some games.

To be fair, Nintendo stopped issuing repair components for the original Nintendo in 2009 or such, the electronics have a limited lifespan and your NES will eventually die and not be repairable.

With the xbox one being x86 and running a Windows core, in five years MS could presumably push out an update for Windows which lets you play any xbox game you've purchased on any Windows PC where you log in with your MS account.
 
Would they do that though? I doubt it. Good point about the NES, but most people wouldn't have used theirs in years.. They're in storage, not being used. They should last quite a while

I don't see any benefits to customers here in terms of always needing to be online to play. What's this I also heard about only being able to play offline for 1 day max? If that's true, I think their sales aren't going to be great

edit: I just found this. Heh

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On hearing the price, as well as the latest usage restrictions, this Critical Miss comic adequately reflects my views on the issue:

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I think "once every 24 hours" is reasonable. The problem with most always-on DRM is that, while I may literally always be connected to the internet when I'm at home, the servers at the publisher's end very often fail, especially at launch. "Once every 24 hours" means that, for this to be a problem, the servers will have to be down for more than 24 hours. The problem comes during times when, of course, I'm not online. When I moved into this flat, it took over a month before the internet got hooked up. That was an entire month when I was dependent on my phone for internet. I was also dependent on playing offline, single player games -- which is what the console is perfect for. Having to connect to the internet every 24 hours means that I won't be able to play games that I've actually paid money for at a time when playing games is one of the main ways of passing the time when you have no internet connection. This won't happen often, but when it does happen, it happens at the most annoying time possible. Overall though I'm not too fussed.

Having to log in to your Live account on someone else's computer is a pain in the arse. That's like the most annoying thing in the world, typing your personal password on a screen that EVERYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM can also see, using a freaking twiddle stick to navigate through an on screen keyboard. Nobody is going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm sticking with PS4 (assuming this allows you to play with just the disk and no logging in).

Also it is a completely arbitrary limit that is only there to exert control over how the customer uses the product they bought and for DRM. There is absolutely no need to force daily online checks for anything that is not an MMORPG.

Plus there are still lots of people with really poor internet, and one market for games that I am surprised they are willing to hurt since Microsoft is 'murikan: The troops. Gamestop is one of the stores that operates on or around US military bases and, especially when deployed, internet is not always available or really bad or limited.
 
I endorse the above post.
 
I am wondering: Why exactly do they want their users to go online every 24 hours? This will cost them some customers, so what is in it for them to push this?

For the DRM aspect there is nothing that couldn't be accomplished with an offline mode. So what are they going to do with this forced internet connection? Annoy their users with marketing updates?

Or are they forcing these draconian measures just out of spite? Or incompetence?
 
To be fair, Nintendo stopped issuing repair components for the original Nintendo in 2009 or such, the electronics have a limited lifespan and your NES will eventually die and not be repairable.

There are neither laws not technical difficulties blocking other companies, or even hobbyists, from repairing old consoles and making and selling parts.

With the xbox one being x86 and running a Windows core, in five years MS could presumably push out an update for Windows which lets you play any xbox game you've purchased on any Windows PC where you log in with your MS account.

Like Microsoft presumably pushed out updates to allow users of their "plays for sure" service to use what they bought? Oh, wait, they told them to fend for themselves: record that "plays for sure" music to the (and these are your own works) incredibly archaic CDs before they shut down the authorization servers.

I am wondering: Why exactly do they want their users to go online every 24 hours? This will cost them some customers, so what is in it for them to push this?

Perhaps there is nothing in it for Microsoft. Perhaps they're doing it at the request of some "partner". That way they have a always-on camera and microphone ready. The telescreen has arrived and people will even pay its expenses. Brilliantly done.
 
Like Microsoft presumably pushed out updates to allow users of their "plays for sure" service to use what they bought? Oh, wait, they told them to fend for themselves: record that "plays for sure" music to the (and these are your own works) incredibly archaic CDs before they shut down the authorization servers.

The lesson here is that you should pay for unlimited streaming music.
 
Plus there are still lots of people with really poor internet, and one market for games that I am surprised they are willing to hurt since Microsoft is 'murikan: The troops. Gamestop is one of the stores that operates on or around US military bases and, especially when deployed, internet is not always available or really bad or limited.
Microsoft doesn't care about them because they are very low margin customers. Indeed, if they're buying all their games and consoles 2nd hand from Gamestop then Microsoft literally makes no money from them whatsoever. They aren't even customers of Microsoft at that point.
 
Microsoft doesn't care about them because they are very low margin customers. Indeed, if they're buying all their games and consoles 2nd hand from Gamestop then Microsoft literally makes no money from them whatsoever. They aren't even customers of Microsoft at that point.

Well, these guys still pay for XboxLive, but you're right, that's still only 120 a year. Low margin indeed.
 
Gold costs $120 a year in the US??? It's like £30 here...

But yeah if you don't have broadband I don't know why you'd buy xbox live gold.
 
Gold costs $120 a year in the US??? It's like £30 here...

But yeah if you don't have broadband I don't know why you'd buy xbox live gold.

Yeah I don't know. I pay 50 a year for it...but I started my subscription in like 2004ish, so maybe I got grandfathered? :dunno:
 
Xbox One Price $499, €499, £429. Plus Xbox LIVE subscription and ~half or so of its online features not available outside of USA.

The PS4 will cost $399, €399, £349. It also allows used games, has no forced onling requirement/DRM.

Microsoft doesn't care about them because they are very low margin customers. Indeed, if they're buying all their games and consoles 2nd hand from Gamestop then Microsoft literally makes no money from them whatsoever. They aren't even customers of Microsoft at that point.

I wasn't talking about used games in that quote.
 
Yeah, I'm going for the PS4. It wins on every single measure....

EDIT: Gah, this is where I rant about ridiculous pricing for US vs EU and UK. $400 USD is £257. Adding on VAT at 20%, it's still only £308. So they're charging UK customers an extra £50 for the product?! It's bloody outrageous.
 
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