New Xbox basically kills off used games
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Mise
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Ever so slightly less badly than the UK or EU it seems. 549 AUD = 330 GBP = 387 EUR. I mean I can literally drive across to France, have some paella or whatever they cook there, climb up the leaning tower of paris and buy a PS4 from the shop at the top and it'll only cost me £340 vs £350 here. It's nonsense.
Mise
isle of lucy
Yes well, we pay more for Jaguars.
That's the surcharge for pronouncing them "ja-GWOARRRRRRGHGGHGHGG".
Anyway Sony is Japanese, dammit!
azzaman333
meh
According to pre-order prices, games are $120AU, Xbone itself is $600, PS4 is $550.
Given that I like Xbox controllers a fair bit more than PS controllers (thumbstick and d-pad arranged better, triggers are nicer), the Xbone exclusives seem more appealing and there's only a $50 price difference on the consoles (and no difference in game costs), I still favour the Xbone.
Luckymoose
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The differences are deeper than that.
azzaman333
meh
I couldn't care less about used games, always online (let alone once every 24 hours) is a complete non-issue to me, I already install all my games to hard drive, I'm not concerned about the Kinect stuff and even if I was it can be turned off. Is there anything else I'm missing?
<pseudo-angry rant about how that attitude is symptomatic of everything that's wrong with gamers these days>
Farm Boy
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I laughed. But seriously. I had to listen to that guy on Top Gear holler "IT'S SPORTY!" for god knows how long when they drove the Corvette. So it's a good natured laugh, but it's not sympathetic. Plus, while we are on the big cats, what is up with PEW-ma? I was watching nature programing and I thought somebody's mother let one rip.
Mise
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Ahh yes, in America it's Poo-ma, as in, I'm going to poo-ma-self if I ever see one.
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And that, my friend, actually makes sense.
warpus
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Microsoft will really sell their new console at such an uncompetitive price point? As someone who has been watching this whole thing from the sidelines..
Microsoft will really sell their new console at such an uncompetitive price point? As someone who has been watching this whole thing from the sidelines..
They've been trying really hard to prop up the price of devices lately, after seeing the PC market implode with the average price of a PC dropping to ~$400, profit margins dropping to zero, and the average PC being bloadware-riddled crap hardware.
The PS4 is in a better spot now, but I'm sure MS planned for all the possibilities of things Sony's announced so far. The PS3 was similarly better on launch, but MS outsold them by ~10% overall and has been doing very well for the past several years.
If I was MS, I'd keep everything as announced, but move to very aggressive software pricing. Bundle the $500 Xbox with a half-dozen AAA launch games, cap new game prices at $40, aggressively discount older games to download.
Mise
isle of lucy
The PS3 was about as uncompetitively priced at launch as the XB1 is now.
But yeah, the only way the XB1 can compete is with cheaper games. If the XB1 has games that are about the same price as PC games, with deep, frequent discounts a la Steam sales, then it will be competitive. Otherwise, if the games are priced the same as the PS4 then I don't see the XB1 outselling the PS4.
But yeah, the only way the XB1 can compete is with cheaper games. If the XB1 has games that are about the same price as PC games, with deep, frequent discounts a la Steam sales, then it will be competitive. Otherwise, if the games are priced the same as the PS4 then I don't see the XB1 outselling the PS4.
I mean irrespective of price, in 2006 the PS3 was a better console than the 360, and as of now, the PS4 looks to be a better console than the XB1.
Mise
isle of lucy
Yeah I know, what I mean is that the 360 outsold the PS3 despite it being an inferior console because, inter alia, the PS3 was $50 more expensive. Now the PS4 is not only a better console but it's cheaper on launch by $50 and it's got better support for core gamers. So the circumstances under which the 360 outsold the PS3 by 10% simply don't exist now.
Indeed, I don't even think that Microsoft are looking to outsell the PS4 at all. I think they're looking to capture the high margin part of the market and lock them into the MS ecosphere, in the way that Apple have with basically all of their products. They don't care that the low margin customers and core gamers are going to Sony, because a large part of their strategy depends on selling high margin addon services (e.g. TV streaming) to the locked in, high value customers. They're not even creating a games console at all at this point; they rather want to create a complete end-to-end product line where you're using MS products on tablet, desktop, mobile, office and living room. I suspect that their focus on DRM in this new release is less of a sop to games publishers than it is a demonstration to TV, film, music media companies that MS is committed to providing a platform that protects digital products. When you look at the XB1 from MS's perspective, rather than from a gamers' perspective, it all makes perfect sense. I'm simply not Microsoft's target demographic here.
Indeed, I don't even think that Microsoft are looking to outsell the PS4 at all. I think they're looking to capture the high margin part of the market and lock them into the MS ecosphere, in the way that Apple have with basically all of their products. They don't care that the low margin customers and core gamers are going to Sony, because a large part of their strategy depends on selling high margin addon services (e.g. TV streaming) to the locked in, high value customers. They're not even creating a games console at all at this point; they rather want to create a complete end-to-end product line where you're using MS products on tablet, desktop, mobile, office and living room. I suspect that their focus on DRM in this new release is less of a sop to games publishers than it is a demonstration to TV, film, music media companies that MS is committed to providing a platform that protects digital products. When you look at the XB1 from MS's perspective, rather than from a gamers' perspective, it all makes perfect sense. I'm simply not Microsoft's target demographic here.
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Sony just announced the PS4 will be region-free unlike the xbox which has gone for region-locking. Sony is just landing blow after blow now. I had a PS2, switched to a xbox 360 for this generation, probably will hop back to a PS4 for this one.
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