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[cool3a2]

Because I am searching for someone who would make me a Ruga / Rua / Rugila leaderhead for my Hun Mod. Initially, I wanted to ask Methyl to do that as he already made some eurasian leaderheads and therefor seems to be kind of expert for these. But he doesn't seem to be active anymore. If you want, you are plan B. Your skills have been improved with every leaderhead you made and as Hungarians tend to be interested in Huns, the chances are high that you take the job and that it gets realized. For the case you'll take it, I'll write down some things what I was thinking about. Even if you don't take it, it might be interesting for other leaderhead modders.

Note: these are basically ideas, there is no need to stick to these:
1. As all hun art I requested so far (units and Attila LH), he should be turkic looking (I am thinking of the ethnicity here). Don't want to start another hun discussion here, but the readings that I've done so far, lead me to the opinion that the (core) Huns were turkic people. Also, if I'd start now with an almond-eyed leaderhead (hope that phrase is politically correct), that would be kind of inconsistent.
2. Ruga was Attilas uncle. Using Ekmeks Attila as base could be a good idea as this might lead to a distant similarity like that of two related persons (AFAIK it's kind of risky to base a new leaderhead on a usermade one, but Ekmek might still have a blend file of his work). On the other side, it might be a good idea to make him less armored then Attila.
3. Huns had the custom to deform their skulls: http://www.collection-gbornhauser.li/12043.html. This would give a pretty unique leaderhead. That's something I'd really like to see.
4. There was a movie about Attila where Steven Berkoff played Ruga. It's been a while since I've seen it, but from what I remember, the way he looked there could be used as a base. Unfortunately I was unable to find a picture from that film showing him. On the other side, the movie has been put onto youtube in at least 18 parts by a user named Moodyboo17. As I don't know if it would be legal to give the link here, won't do it. You'll find it quickly by searching for 'Attila (The Movie) - Part 1' and 'youtube', via google. The mentioned first part already shows Ruga at the end of the clip, but there he's not clothed the way I remember (I was thinking of something reddish). I think he is in a later scene. However, even when watching the first part, you might get an idea. There are also a lot of other people clothed interestingly. BTW: unlike it is suggested by the movie, Mundzuk wasn't killed that early I think. In fact, he succeeded Ruga on the hunnish throne and it looks like he killed Ruga... Anyways, giving Ruga few hairs only and making him a little bit older, could be a good idea.
5. Please do not make him look devilish. I corrected the light setting of Ekmeks Attila and changed his backround so that it meets my expectations - so I could correct it even if you'd make him devilish - but I'd prefer it to save that time.
6. The only picture that could show the real Ruga, can be found here: http://www.perceptions.couk.com/authority.html (there he is called Attilas father which is incorrect AFAIK). Search for a paragraph titled 'Huns'. On the other side, that could also be Attila... The picture doesn't show much details anyways.

BTW: You could take as much time as you like. At the moment I'm quite busy, so I don't know when I'll have time again to put him into the mod. Maybe I could do that next week, or next month or in three months only. If you like, we can discuss further suggestions either here or in the Hun mod thread.

So, interested?

 

[Nitram15]

Of course, I take the job!
Maybe some weeks. Or days

 

[cool3a2]

Maybe some weeks. Or days

Oh, okay! Glad to see it will be done!

 

[Nitram15]

Don't worry, I start it maybe tomorrow or next week!

 

[Nitram15]

Ruga is under construction!

 

[Ekmek]

5. Please do not make him look devilish. I corrected the light setting of Ekmeks Attila and changed his backround so that it meets my expectations - so I could correct it even if you'd make him devilish - but I'd prefer it to save that time.

Devilish? its not like Attila is famous for curing the sick anf helping kids!

Well, I have found a way to add animated fire and smoke to his background so it looks real cool but devilish. So the new Attila will still look devilish

 

[cool3a2]

Hmmm... It's your leaderhead and I think I'm alone with feeling the 'devilish' look is a problem. Also, I believe I'll be able to 'fix' the backround by my own if necessary. So feel free to make the background the way you like it.
Still, my opinion is that Attilas modern day image is created by roman sources which can't be considered objective as the Romans were the Huns enemies. Or better said the Huns were the biggest threat to the Romans. What do you await them to say about Huns? Sure, Attila fought wars. Nothing special, not even centuries later. Even the Romans did. So, what do you think would have said the Gauls or the Carthagians about roman leaders? On the other side, Attila seemed to be impressed by Roman culture and tried to copy it. So you might say he was at least interested in other things then war as well. That's why I think it is unfair to reduce the Huns onto their warfare and that's why I decided to use a reconstruction of the hunnish palace at Tápiószentmárton as background:

Spoiler :

But as said, I believe I can do the changes by my own.

 

[The Capo]

I never really thought of Ekmek's Attila as looking devilish. He is known today, as he was then, as a formidible foe. When you are playing AS Attila you will never see the LH, Ekmek made him to look fearsome which is a good thing in my opinion. That should be the focus, what his enemies see. As far as I can tell he wasn't exactly the most loyal ally, and often switched loyalties. That isn't to say the man was evil, or that he was more untrustworthy and violent than those around him at the time, but I still think it is better to make him look menacing than to try and make him look neutral.

 

[Nitram15]

Ruga / Rua will have Sitting Bull's effect!
But... How can I do that?

 

[Ekmek]

I'm doing it for my attila. its just copying over the lighting. i think capo and coyote discussed it im the last few posts of my guide's thread

 

[The Capo]

Ruga / Rua will have Sitting Bull's effect!
But... How can I do that?

I'm doing it for my attila. its just copying over the lighting. i think capo and coyote discussed it im the last few posts of my guide's thread

Uh oh, now there will be two devilish looking Huns!!! :gasp:

 

[Nitram15]

I'm doing it for my attila. its just copying over the lighting. i think capo and coyote discussed it im the last few posts of my guide's thread

Thanks, Ekmek!

 

[cool3a2]

Uh oh, now there will be two devilish looking Huns!!! :gasp:

Mhhhhhhhhh...

 

[Nitram15]

I can't understand cool3a2!
Do you want that thing or don't you want it?

 

[cool3a2]

I want Ruga of course, but not devilish... But well, as mentioned before I could change background and light setting by my own to my desires. So if you want him devilish, then make him devilish.

 

[The Capo]

I want Ruga of course, but not devilish... But well, as mentioned before I could change background and light setting by my own to my desires. So if you want him devilish, then make him devilish.

Nobody likes Huns Cool, everyone thinks they're terrible awful people! Get over it!

I'm joking of course, I think this is a matter of the "eye of the beholder," I don't consider them devilish but you do. Is it the effects that seem devilish to you or the actual LH itself? If the effects are the issue that is easy to fix on your own, if it is the LH itself you might have to learn some Blender.

EDIT: Strangely enough, as I wrote this a documentary on the History Channel about Attila just started.

 

[cool3a2]

'm joking of course, I think this is a matter of the "eye of the beholder," I don't consider them devilish but you do. Is it the effects that seem devilish to you or the actual LH itself? If the effects are the issue that is easy to fix on your own, if it is the LH itself you might have to learn some Blender.

It's the effect. Basically the red light and the background (thinking of Ekmeks first version of Attila). It's like they never did anything else then burning, killing, torturing etc. I mean, I'm pretty sure that Huns were more than that. Thinking of the palace I mentioned and the form of their heads, the most certainly dealt with cultural aspects as well. But in the western world they are mostly considered barbs, nothing more. That's what I dislike as this is based on prejudices created by the Romans. The following is not meant as an argument for hungarian-hun relationship, it's just a comparism (sorry, I have to make that clear to not get called a nationalist): when they arrived, Hungarians had the same image as Huns. If Hungarians would have gone extinct at that time, we could have the same discussion about them as we have now about Huns (just without me and Nitram, I guess..). (Western) European sources would have never mentioned anything about the cultural aspects of the Hungarians, instead they would have painted us as primitive demons. That's what happened to the Huns. They are always reduced on their wars. That's nothing but stereotypes. But even if they would have been that evil as they are told to be: not even a single Hitler lh got put in front of a concentration camp (and in a way, that's like putting Attila or Ruga in fornt of a burning village) and that guy really was plain evil and hence earned his dark image...
But that's what I am saying all the time: I'm pretty alone with my opinion and I am able to change on the light setting or on the background by my own - so if you prefer the LH with the said effect, do it like that and I'll alter it to my desires. That's really okay for me.

 

[The Capo]

It's the effect. Basically the red light and the background (thinking of Ekmeks first version of Attila). It's like they never did anything else then burning, killing, torturing etc. I mean, I'm pretty sure that Huns were more than that. Thinking of the palace I mentioned and the form of their heads, the most certainly dealt with cultural aspects as well. But in the western world they are mostly considered barbs, nothing more. That's what I dislike as this is based on prejudices created by the Romans. The following is not meant as an argument for hungarian-hun relationship, it's just a comparism (sorry, I have to make that clear to not get called a nationalist): when they arrived, Hungarians had the same image as Huns. If Hungarians would have gone extinct at that time, we could have the same discussion about them as we have now about Huns (just without me and Nitram, I guess..). (Western) European sources would have never mentioned anything about the cultural aspects of the Hungarians, instead they would have painted us as primitive demons. That's what happened to the Huns. They are always reduced on their wars. That's nothing but stereotypes. But even if they would have been that evil as they are told to be: not even a single Hitler lh got put in front of a concentration camp (and in a way, that's like putting Attila or Ruga in fornt of a burning village) and that guy really was plain evil and hence earned his dark image...
But that's what I am saying all the time: I'm pretty alone with my opinion and I am able to change on the light setting or on the background by my own - so if you prefer the LH with the said effect, do it like that and I'll alter it to my desires. That's really okay for me.

Actually dude, that documentary I watched (which was pretty good, and was made this year) pretty much was not very kind to the Huns under Attila. Attila seemed to engage in violence with little to no actual goal other than destroying whatever he came up against in order to extort money from people through the use of fear. There wasn't much in the way of cultural achievement (at least there was no evidence of such things) and the sources for the Huns being like this are not only Roman and Western, they followed them throughout their migration from the steppe. I'm not saying I am completely in the "Huns are bad" camp, but I think you may be way far into the "just because they were ancient and considered barbarians doesn't mean they were like that," I think they really may have been like that. It doesn't make them evil by any means though, I mean look at the crap the Romans did. But just because the Romans may have had a reason to paint them in a negative light, doesn't mean they didn't do the things and act the way the Romans said they did.

And as far as your Hitler comment; it is not the same thing at all. I worked on that Hitler LH, and if you think I want to go around looking at images of a concentration camp just to make someone feel better about the LH you're crazy, it was bad enough looking at all those Nazi pictures (and yes a few concentration camp photos turned up too). There is a big difference between searching for an image of a famished, and imaciated, concentration camp prisoner and searching for an image of a burning village. Also the liklihood that Hitler was ever at these camps compared to the liklihood of running into Attila at a burning village was probably pretty high. I don't want to get into an argument about who was "better" than who. I mean Caesar, Alexander and countless others had people slaughtered en masse, it was the time they were in and at that time it was acceptable, doesn't make it right, doesn't excuse them, but its just what we have to deal with. The same is true of Attila, he had 20,000 Burgundians slaughtered in a single day, he engaged his armies in rape and scare tactics in order to extort money (say what you want about Roman sources, these are facts) from people. And he didn't only do it to the rich Romans, he did it to the people who lived in what is now Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Germany, Lithuania, Czech Republic, etc. etc. etc. who were not so rich at all. There was no real effort at establishing a Kingdom or a permenant empire.

Having said all of that, you have every right to change a leader to suit your needs.

 

[Nitram15]

@cool3a2: Sitting Bull's great effect isn't devilish I suppose.

@The Capo: I like huns. Why do you say the were bad people? They weren't the same "barbarians" like the germans, vandals, and other barbarian people.

@all: This is my thread. When you want to discuss every different of the topic write it to Off Topic. This time, I recommend you World History forum.

@cool3a2: Bocs a kiesésért. 2 új elkészült lh -m van, akiket még nem töltöttem föl, de akadt egy kis zűrzavar (internet ügyileg). A Ruga projektet majd beszéljük meg pm -ben oké? Kezdünk eltérni a tárgytól; ugye megértesz?

 

[The Capo]

@The Capo: I like huns. Why do you say the were bad people? They weren't the same "barbarians" like the germans, vandals, and other barbarian people.

I have no problem with Huns, it's just a disservice to history to try to ignore what they did under Attila. I didn't say Huns were bad, I said Attila was a pretty bad dude, he personally oversaw all of this. It wasn't like the Huns just went out, without Attila and massacred 20,000 Burgundian people. Attila did it. He was an extortionist, he'd sack cities and then demand tribute from others so that they wouldn't have the same fate. I am not saying others didn't do this, they certainly did, the Romans surely did it themselves. I am not trying to say that they were any worse than the Romans or others in their period, but what I am saying is just because of some sort of nationalistic fervor for their history, and respect for what they did, one shouldn't ignore the facts.

But it doesn't matter, because as modders we can do whatever we'd like. So if Cool wants to change the effect that's his decision, if Ekmek wants to make Attila look "devilish" that is his decision too. But it's pretty obvious that there is an affinity for Huns in Hungary, but that shouldn't shroud the true history of what occured and what Attila was responsible for doing. I am an American, and I know we've done some pretty horrible things throughout history. This doesn't change the affinity I have for my country, but I also know that we massacred hundreds of thousands of natives, and enslaved hundreds of thousands of Africans, interned Japanese, Italians and Germans and dropped nukes on Japanese cities. So I'm simply saying having an affinity for something or someone shouldn't cloud what that thing or person is responsible for doing.