None Dare Call it Christian Terrorism

[Timsup2nothin]

Good for you!

Now, about people who are members of "minorities" (as you put it) ... I wonder how they feel.

CRACK goes the bat! And there goes the Colonel over the center field fence! Home run!

 

[Formaldehyde]

I've wandered out of this thread repeatedly, so any "ranting" I may have done is far from continuous.

As to "calling the KKK a Christian terrorist group," my contention has never been that there is no way to say that isn't accurate, just that it isn't relevant. The opening story on "Christain terrorism" had to not only stretch to suggesting that the KKK is motivated by religion, not race or politics or any of the things anyone with even vague amounts of sense recognize motivate them, it was about a former member anyway...who not surprisingly cited his own motivations as being racism, not religion.

It was an extremely weak connection tossed out to kindle up the usual religio-fascists vs atheism-uber-alles flame wars.

And of course, anyone who came along and said "what the heck is the point of this?" gets attacked. Most just wander off, but since getting bullied by Formy is something I find always leads to amusing situations, like being glaringly slandered with stuff that it is really easy to demonstrate that he pulled from the usual place to sling, I come back now and then.

Oh, poor little you for being unmercifully "attacked" after incessantly personally attacking me.

And, again, explain yourself. How do you know so much about so many white supremacists you supposedly just "met"? After all Bhavv just asked about that himself in the form of your "chums" and you continue to refuse to answer it, much less incessantly whine about how it is a "slanderous" attack.

Why do you continue to ignore all the facts that go completely against nearly every single statement you have actually made that is in any way germane to this thread?

And why do you continue to try to derail this thread? Why could you possibly care so much about a discussion that so many people see the same way and completely contrary to how you perceive it?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Realistically if I were a minority I would not be intimidated by the KKK. Typically the KKK are just a bunch of idiots that want to hold rallys and sound incredibly stupid on tv to get their 15 minutes of fame.

You mean other than the times where they terrorize and kill people for not being Protestants?

I suggest you actually read the articles posted in this thread if you actually believe that utter nonsense.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

And, again, explain yourself. How do you know so much about so many white supremacists you supposedly just "met"? After all Bhavv just asked about that himself in the form of your "chums" and you continue to refuse to answer it, much less incessantly whine about how it is a "slanderous" attack.

Hilariously enough, when I explained that already in this thread it was because Bhavv asked me about it. So, since you clearly don't really want to know and Bhavv apparently didn't bother with the answer last time, what point would there be in repeating it?

It's already established that more than just me takes your "met" equals "admitting he hangs out with" is at best silly. I don't have any complaints about your "oh, you KNOW things about white supremacists so you must be one" nonsense, which is clearly just nonsense and since it comes from you no one is going to take it seriously. But you repeatedly claimed that I "admitted that I hang out with white supremacists" and someone did take that seriously. Apparently someone unfamiliar with you. So that particular bald faced lie is irksome.

 

[Colonel]

You mean other than the times where they terrorize and kill people for not being Protestants?

I suggest you actually read the articles posted in this thread if you actually believe that utter nonsense.

To justify the application of the word "terrorist" or "terrorist organization" it would require a systematic and concentrated effort to cause harm, intimidate, or coerce through violence or threat of violence. Though I do believe the KKK does do most of these things on an occasional basis, I don't believe it to be concentrated or systematic, thus I would not apply the term "terrorist".

I'm not saying they are good people or anything, in fact I believe them to be vile hateful individuals but I don't believe the group as a whole can be identified as terrorist.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

To justify the application of the word "terrorist" or "terrorist organization" it would require a systematic and concentrated effort to cause harm, intimidate, or coerce through violence or threat of violence. Though I do believe the KKK does do most of these things on an occasional basis, I don't believe it to be concentrated or systematic, thus I would not apply the term "terrorist".

I'm not saying they are good people or anything, in fact I believe them to be vile hateful individuals but I don't believe the group as a whole can be identified as terrorist.

I am inclined to agree...currently. Their history is so replete with terrorism that they are now on an extremely short leash, and if they ventured into anything beyond protest marching with absolute adherence to even the most obscure law they would get bounced immediately.

 

[Colonel]

I am inclined to agree...currently. Their history is so replete with terrorism that they are now on an extremely short leash, and if they ventured into anything beyond protest marching with absolute adherence to even the most obscure law they would get bounced immediately.

To that end if you look into alot of the smaller white supremacist groups I'm sure that there are more then a few which could be accurately described as a terrorist organization. Specifically I'd be looking at the White Supremacist Militias that are all over.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Hilariously enough, when I explained that already in this thread it was because Bhavv asked me about it. So, since you clearly don't really want to know and Bhavv apparently didn't bother with the answer last time, what point would there be in repeating it?

It's already established that more than just me takes your "met" equals "admitting he hangs out with" is at best silly. I don't have any complaints about your "oh, you KNOW things about white supremacists so you must be one" nonsense, which is clearly just nonsense and since it comes from you no one is going to take it seriously. But you repeatedly claimed that I "admitted that I hang out with white supremacists" and someone did take that seriously. Apparently someone unfamiliar with you. So that particular bald faced lie is irksome.

Here is the question you yet again continue to completely ignore.

No you havnt. Why exactly does linking the KKK to Christian Terrorism offend you so much? Are you offended because it offends Christianity ... Or actually because it offends your white supremacist chums?

If you have supposedly answered it before in this thread prove it.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

To that end if you look into alot of the smaller white supremacist groups I'm sure that there are more then a few which could be accurately described as a terrorist organization. Specifically I'd be looking at the White Supremacist Militias that are all over.

No question.

 

[Formaldehyde]

To justify the application of the word "terrorist" or "terrorist organization" it would require a systematic and concentrated effort to cause harm, intimidate, or coerce through violence or threat of violence. Though I do believe the KKK does do most of these things on an occasional basis, I don't believe it to be concentrated or systematic, thus I would not apply the term "terrorist".

I'm not saying they are good people or anything, in fact I believe them to be vile hateful individuals but I don't believe the group as a whole can be identified as terrorist.

Yet all the facts completely disagree with your own personal opinion in this matter. Here is yet another source you can decide to ignore because it interferes with your preconceived notions:

Terrorist Groups And Tactics: Ku Klux Klan (KKK) - Profile of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK)

Objectives:

The KKK's is a white supremacist group. It holds that only white, heterosexual Christians deserve civil rights. Its original mandate, to reverse the equality granted African -Americans after the Civil War has expanded as the social demographics of the United States have changed. It also opposes civil rights for Jews, gays, Catholics, and other ethnic and religious groups. Today, the various local groups that make up the Klan often focus their hate speech on immigrants.

And another recent "possible" hate crime which was likely perpetrated by the KKK in Louisiana:

Louisiana woman, 20, set on fire in possible hate crime attack

NEW ORLEANS — A 20-year-old black woman said she was set on fire by three men who wrote the initials KKK and a racial slur on her car in northeastern Louisiana, police said Monday.

Officers found Sharmeka Moffitt with burns on more than half of her body when they responded to her emergency call Sunday night, said Louisiana State Police spokeswoman Lt. Julie Lewis.

The FBI is investigating the attack as a possible hate crime, but no arrests had been made as of late Monday, Lewis said. She said Moffitt was in critical condition at a hospital and that some of her injuries were third-degree burns.

She is expected to have surgery Tuesday.

Moffitt told police the men doused her in a flammable liquid and set her on fire at a park in Winnsboro, a town in Franklin Parish. Lewis said she extinguished the fire using water from a spigot before a police officer arrived.

Officers found the letters KKK — an apparent reference to the white supremacist Ku Klux Klan — and a racial slur smeared in a paste-like substance on the hood of her car, Lewis said.

On the emergency call, Moffitt described her attackers as three men wearing white hoods or hats, Lewis said. She later told a Winnsboro Police officer who responded to the call that the men were wearing white hoodies. She was unable to say what race her attackers were.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Here is the question you yet again continue to completely ignore.



If you have supposedly answered it before in this thread prove it.

After taking a moment to check, yup, I actually answered that one too. I usually try to provide answers when Bhavv asks questions.

As to your juvenile demand of "prove it," I have to ask; to what end? Everyone but you knows that I did, or if they don't and they really care they can find it fairly easily, and if they can't find it they are free to ask me. Most of the old hands already know from numerous previous conversations, so they probably didn't care in the first place. So the only one making this demand is you, and I couldn't care less about your authoritarian orders.

 

[Formaldehyde]

After taking a moment to check, yup, I actually answered that one too. I usually try to provide answers when Bhavv asks questions.

As to your juvenile demand of "prove it," I have to ask; to what end? Everyone but you knows that I did, or if they don't and they really care they can find it fairly easily, and if they can't find it they are free to ask me. Most of the old hands already know from numerous previous conversations, so they probably didn't care in the first place. So the only one making this demand is you, and I couldn't care less about your authoritarian orders.

There is no response to that question which was just asked on the previous page.

Why do you continue to just make stuff up that is obviously so much utter nonsense?

Furthermore, why didn't you claim it was "slanderous" for him to describe them as "chums"?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

No you havnt. Why exactly does linking the KKK to Christian Terrorism offend you so much? Are you offended because it offends Christianity ... Or actually because it offends your white supremacist chums?

I've wandered out of this thread repeatedly, so any "ranting" I may have done is far from continuous.

As to "calling the KKK a Christian terrorist group," my contention has never been that there is no way to say that isn't accurate, just that it isn't relevant. The opening story on "Christain terrorism" had to not only stretch to suggesting that the KKK is motivated by religion, not race or politics or any of the things anyone with even vague amounts of sense recognize motivate them, it was about a former member anyway...who not surprisingly cited his own motivations as being racism, not religion.

It was an extremely weak connection tossed out to kindle up the usual religio-fascists vs atheism-uber-alles flame wars.

And of course, anyone who came along and said "what the heck is the point of this?" gets attacked. Most just wander off, but since getting bullied by Formy is something I find always leads to amusing situations, like being glaringly slandered with stuff that it is really easy to demonstrate that he pulled from the usual place to sling, I come back now and then.

I pointed out that the premise of the question (that I am "offended so much" by linking the KKK to Christian Terrorism) is flawed. I don't know exactly what sort of "answer" would meet your standards, but that's the answer, in plain pixels for all to see. So once again your claim that "there is no such answer" to the question on the previous page is false.

As to concerns about the "chums with white supremacists" business, since it is hearsay clearly based on slander originated by you, I hold you responsible, not Bhavv. I may not get along with Bhavv all the time, but I have confidence that once you are held accountable for said slander Bhavv will not continue to echo it.

 

[Formaldehyde]

There is no mention of your "chums" there. Nor is there an explanation how you could have possibly discerned the innermost thoughts of a supposedly large number of white supremacist strangers you nonsensically claim to have just "met".

You did act "offended" in your very first absurd response in this thread.

Calling white supremacists "Christian terrorists" demonstrates that you have no familiarity with Christians or with white supremacists. Better find some videos on the internet and become the world's greatest authority on the subjects, or maybe get out of the basement and get some first hand knowledge..

And it obviously hasn't gotten any better as all your wacky allegations about the KKK and white supremacy were completely destroyed by obvious facts. And all you have been able to do is repeat the same opinions shown to be factually untrue while engaging in incessant personal attacks.

The only real question is why you are acting so "offended". Part of it is obviously the all-too-typical responses when I show your opinions have no factual basis by engaging in incessant comments about "videos" you should be too embarrassed to even remind people about. But there seems to be more here, which is what bhavv was asking about.

 

[brennan]

I'm amazed this thread is still open at this stage. Surreal.

 

[Bugfatty300]

I am inclined to agree...currently. Their history is so replete with terrorism that they are now on an extremely short leash, and if they ventured into anything beyond protest marching with absolute adherence to even the most obscure law they would get bounced immediately.

Also, the Ku Klux Klan as a centralized group doesn't exist these days. Newer racist groups adopt the KKK name but practically none of them share a cohesive doctrine on anything. So, I'd also agree...The "KKK" is not the best example of modern Christian motivated terrorism.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I'm amazed this thread is still open at this stage. Surreal.

Timsup2nothin has certainly been doing all he can to hijack it. And you have certainly hypocritically helped as well.

Also, the Ku Klux Klan as a centralized group doesn't exist these days. Newer racist groups adopt the KKK name but practically none of them share a cohesive doctrine on anything. So, I'd also agree...The "KKK" is not the best example of modern Christian motivated terrorism.

That is certainly true, even though the KKK has always been aligned along at most state lines in modern history, if at all. And there are obviously better examples of "modern Christian motivated terrorism". But it is still very much an all-Protestant organization which continues to plan, coordinate, and commit hate crimes in the US which would be called by many "terrorist attacks" if committed by any Muslim, much less a group.

So the question remains: Why aren't they getting far more media coverage? Because they are Christian-based?

 

[brennan]

Glad to be of service.

 

[Formaldehyde]

It is a common tactic with those who don't wish to discuss a particular matter.

 

[Colonel]

Timsup2nothin has certainly been doing all he can to hijack it. And you have certainly hypocritically helped as well.


That is certainly true. And there are obviously better examples of "modern Christian motivated terrorism". But it is still very much an all-Protestant organization which continues to plan, coordinate, and commit hate crimes in the US which would be called by many "terrorist attacks" if committed by any Muslim, much less a group.

So the question remains: Why aren't they getting far more media coverage? Because they are Christian-based?

They aren't getting the media coverage because they don't meet the definition of a terrorist group nor does the KKK plan, coordinate, and commit hate crimes en-mass anymore. The 1980s and 90s saw the end of the organized KKK. None of the other groups are large enough to warrant media coverage.