None Dare Call it Christian Terrorism

[brennan]

You're going to be totally unshakeable on maintaining that 'met'='hangs out with' are you?

How silly.

 

[Formaldehyde]

It is far more than "met" when he claims he knows so much about so many of them and their deepest personal opinions. Now isn't it?

Or do you think apparent dozens of them are in the habit of walking up to strangers and saying "Hi! I'm a white supremacist, but I never use Christianity as an excuse to hate others!"

 

[Timsup2nothin]

It's all documented above. Should I repeat it all so you can actually read it this time?

Again, how could you possibly claim to know so much about such detailed personal opinions of so many white supremacists? Do you run an outlaw biker gang where they must make a pledge to not use Christianity as a motivation to hate others?

Most people on this forum who have been around for a while already know how I might have encountered white supremacists. Since I regularly and consistently post from personal experience most of my history and qualifications are already established here. However, I did actually address how I met many white supremacists right in this thread, when you asked.

So, either edit out the bald faced and slanderous lies about how I "hang out with white supremacists" or expect the consequences.

 

[Formaldehyde]

So you have no excuse for knowing so much about the personal opinions of so many white supremacists other than just more obviously nonsensical rhetoric, as you continue to incessantly personally attack me with such "slanderous" inanity?

But go right ahead. Explain how you managed to do so while supposedly maintaining no relationship with them at all. How exactly did the topic of Christianity come up so many times?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

So you have no excuse for knowing so much about the personal opinions of so many white supremacists other than just more obviously nonsensical rhetoric, as you continue to incessantly personally attack me with such "slanderous" inanity?

I take it you did not bother looking, even just in this thread. Good enough. I gave my level best effort to let this die.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Right. Of course you did. That is exactly what you have been doing here by incessantly trying to derail this thread while making utterly inane comments about the topic.

Still waiting. Why did the topic of Christianity and hate come up with supposed dozens of white supremacists you just "met"? This should be good. Are you now going to suddenly claim to be a religious counselor to complete strangers with violent tendencies?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Right. Of course you did. That is exactly what you have been doing here by incessantly trying to derail this thread while making utterly inane comments about the topic.

Still waiting. Why did the topic of Christianity and hate come up with supposed dozens of white supremacists you just "met"? This should be good. Are you now going to suddenly claim to be a religious counselor to complete strangers with violent tendencies?

Already answered, in this thread and many others.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Already answered, in this thread and many others.

This utter nonsense hardly qualifies. Now does it?

Most regulars here know the background on that experience so I didn't go into detail, but if you are curious you can ask.

So, again, explain how you know the most intimate details of the opinions of so many white supremacists you just "met".

 

[bhavv]

No you havnt. Why exactly does linking the KKK to Christian Terrorism offend you so much? Are you offended because it offends Christianity ... Or actually because it offends your white supremacist chums?

 

[Formaldehyde]

That is what I keep asking and he refuses to explain. Why does he care so much about this discussion other than to senselessly attack me?



And you just referred to supposed total strangers he claims to have just met, and yet mysteriously knows so much about their innermost personal opinions, as "chums". Ruh roh. Are you ever hypocritically not going to be treated anything like me for making such a "slanderous" comment.

 

[brennan]

Why on Earth would you assume that disagreeing with a premise means that you find it offensive?

 

[bhavv]

Because disagreeing doesn't equal constantly ranting on and on about having called the KKK a christian terrorist group.

 

[Borachio]

I'm really lost. I've totally lost track of who considers the KKK to be Christian Terrorists and who doesn't now.

 

[Formaldehyde]

It isn't all that difficult. Those who are willing to read basic factual articles are of one opinion.

The usual suspects think otherwise:

1) They somehow think it criticizes their own religion that such individuals even exist and are openly discussed.

2) They think it makes their attempts to interpret Islam in an Islamophobic manner less compelling.

3) In the case of Timsup2nothin, it seems to be a combination of trying to derail the thread, and for some inexplicable reason having to do with a large number of white supremacists he seems to know quite well but supposedly just "met".

 

[Borachio]

Ah, yes.

But that's remarkably unhelpful. Strangely.

 

[Colonel]

The KKK aren't necessarily terrorists. They are a hate group but for the most part at least in the modern day they aren't out trying to kill people left and right. They are harming others more out of opportunity then premeditation. Now 140 years ago when the KKK formed I would accept it as a legit terrorist organization.

This is not to say I think the KKK are good but I wouldn't necessarily label them as a terrorist organization.5

 

[Borachio]

A 2002 Supreme Court case established that cross burning is designed to intimidate and is therefore not protected expression.

http://terrorism.about.com/od/groupsleader1/p/Ku_Klux_Klan.htm

If attempted intimidation doesn't qualify as terrorism, I'm not sure what does.

Still, I guess the KKK haven't tried to intimidate anyone at all since that Supreme Court ruling in 2002.

Just wearing white robes and pointy hats, with cutouts for the eyes, plainly doesn't qualify in any way. Nothing more than fancy dress, really.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Because disagreeing doesn't equal constantly ranting on and on about having called the KKK a christian terrorist group.

I've wandered out of this thread repeatedly, so any "ranting" I may have done is far from continuous.

As to "calling the KKK a Christian terrorist group," my contention has never been that there is no way to say that isn't accurate, just that it isn't relevant. The opening story on "Christain terrorism" had to not only stretch to suggesting that the KKK is motivated by religion, not race or politics or any of the things anyone with even vague amounts of sense recognize motivate them, it was about a former member anyway...who not surprisingly cited his own motivations as being racism, not religion.

It was an extremely weak connection tossed out to kindle up the usual religio-fascists vs atheism-uber-alles flame wars.

And of course, anyone who came along and said "what the heck is the point of this?" gets attacked. Most just wander off, but since getting bullied by Formy is something I find always leads to amusing situations, like being glaringly slandered with stuff that it is really easy to demonstrate that he pulled from the usual place to sling, I come back now and then.

 

[Colonel]

http://terrorism.about.com/od/groupsleader1/p/Ku_Klux_Klan.htm

If attempted intimidation doesn't qualify as terrorism I'm not sure what does.

Realistically if I were a minority I would not be intimidated by the KKK. Typically the KKK are just a bunch of idiots that want to hold rallys and sound incredibly stupid on tv to get their 15 minutes of fame.

 

[Borachio]

Good for you!

Now, about people who are members of "minorities" (as you put it) ... I wonder how they feel.