None Shall Pass [Game Thread - Concluded]
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So the question is, do we lynch Vader or the Mouth? It seems the Star Wars cult actually has more members...
sirtommygunn
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I was like 100% sure I was going to die last night so I went a little crazy when I didn't. I actually put that original cult accusation in there as a mistake, but then once it's in there it's like why back down?
Anyway, unvote; vote Frozen_In_Ice.
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Star Wars didn't have the ability to kill off both vigilantes instantly. You have to remember that the vigilantes were the number one threat in the beginning of the game for a cultist.
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Well, I just saw STG's vote. That's game. Star Wars cult won because there was too many people refusing to vote a confirmed cultist at the start of the day.
Lemme quote something for those Star Wars Townies left...
Tomorrow, if you are Star Wars Town, vote Vader. Seriously, don't give up just because it's easier.
Askthepizzaguy said:
Tomorrow, if you are Star Wars Town, vote Vader. Seriously, don't give up just because it's easier.
^That was before the conversion, when ATPG asked to be killed so he wouldn't be converted...
And you know what? If people are going to roll over for SW Cult, there is squat I can do about that. I can however fight tooth and nail to lynch LotR Cult, which I will do. If LotR Cult are in Hell before me, then I've done my job as a townie correctly.
sirtommygunn
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I am totally down to lynch Vader tomorrow.
Gone 3 the Celt
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I'm staying on SIP, because was can eliminate all threat from SW cult with his death.
cant ride my minds, do you?
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So, we have two choices:
1: Believe LOTR cult's claim that they cannot expand (if this claim is false then not lynching them is suicide for us), and lynch Vader, thereby finishing off SW cult, and giving us good time to finish LOTR cult, or get killed/converted by them.
2: Refuse to believe LOTR cult, lynch the mouth. Vader will kill me tomorrow, at which point we are at SW's mercy, though we are assured a victory over our own cult. SW meanwhile, is completely at their cult's mercy unless they lynch vader tomorrow.
Following option one depends on believing that LOTR cult cannot keep converting
Following option two depends on believing that SW town tomorrow will vote to lynch Vader, realizing that if they do not, then they will get killed or converted, ensuring their (and our) defeat at the hands of the Vader cult.
So which is more believable?:
1: Statement one would seem to make sense, given that the LOTR cult had a Balrog, so the SWs would clearly have something to compensate. It also matches the LOTR cult's behavior when Taki died. Neither of the two cultists we know about bussed. At the same time, this still seems like an unbalanced setup, since killing both vigilantes benefits both cults, making the Balrog a much weaker ability than being able to keep converting after your leader dies. Yet if we believe that LOTR cult can also convert, then SW cult must have a compensating ability for the Balrog. In theory, this could be the ability thief, but if Celt is indeed a cultist, then the ability thief is a myth, and Celt being cult is very plausible. They could also have a "death star" equivalent of the balrog, but if so, it seems strange that they didn't use it on the vigilantes. After all, the vigilantes are their greatest threat, and they had no way of knowing that LOTR would kill them. We do know that Palpatine could kill, while Sauron never did. At the same time, Sauron probably has some gimmick with the ring, since it appears that Gollum was once legitimately townie (or at least, makes a strange cover role). So we can conjecture that FII's statement is plausible though not confirmed. In other words, in a world consistent with FII's claims, inter-cult balance is possible if you assume several other perks for LOTR cult.
What are the risks if its a lie and we believe it? Easy: All of us get slaughtered or converted within a few days, leading to the rapid destruction of LOTR town.
Now to the second statement. After we lynch FII, will SW town vote as townies, or as SWs? Throughout the game, many SWs have held to a mentality that they can just wait to be converted, and win as converts. At the same time sirtommy's recent criticism of Jaremma tells me that this mentality is not exclusive in SW town. Moreover, some SWs are nonconvertible, and they cannot win at all if they permit a Vader takeover of SW town.
What are the risks if SWs are convinced by Vader to lynch us? Obviously, both towns, and the LOTR cult rapidly fall to the SW cult.
Well, I hope I have made myself clear to both sides. Keeping Vader alive after tomorrow is suicide for all townies, and all LOTR cultists. Keeping FII alive at all may or may not be suicide for us LOTRs.
Given this dilemma, I think I will trust SW town to act in the interest of their current role, as oppose to an anticipated future role. I will vote: Frozen in Ice. Die Morgothian heathen, hail Eru Ilúvatar!
1: Believe LOTR cult's claim that they cannot expand (if this claim is false then not lynching them is suicide for us), and lynch Vader, thereby finishing off SW cult, and giving us good time to finish LOTR cult, or get killed/converted by them.
2: Refuse to believe LOTR cult, lynch the mouth. Vader will kill me tomorrow, at which point we are at SW's mercy, though we are assured a victory over our own cult. SW meanwhile, is completely at their cult's mercy unless they lynch vader tomorrow.
Following option one depends on believing that LOTR cult cannot keep converting
Following option two depends on believing that SW town tomorrow will vote to lynch Vader, realizing that if they do not, then they will get killed or converted, ensuring their (and our) defeat at the hands of the Vader cult.
So which is more believable?:
1: Statement one would seem to make sense, given that the LOTR cult had a Balrog, so the SWs would clearly have something to compensate. It also matches the LOTR cult's behavior when Taki died. Neither of the two cultists we know about bussed. At the same time, this still seems like an unbalanced setup, since killing both vigilantes benefits both cults, making the Balrog a much weaker ability than being able to keep converting after your leader dies. Yet if we believe that LOTR cult can also convert, then SW cult must have a compensating ability for the Balrog. In theory, this could be the ability thief, but if Celt is indeed a cultist, then the ability thief is a myth, and Celt being cult is very plausible. They could also have a "death star" equivalent of the balrog, but if so, it seems strange that they didn't use it on the vigilantes. After all, the vigilantes are their greatest threat, and they had no way of knowing that LOTR would kill them. We do know that Palpatine could kill, while Sauron never did. At the same time, Sauron probably has some gimmick with the ring, since it appears that Gollum was once legitimately townie (or at least, makes a strange cover role). So we can conjecture that FII's statement is plausible though not confirmed. In other words, in a world consistent with FII's claims, inter-cult balance is possible if you assume several other perks for LOTR cult.
What are the risks if its a lie and we believe it? Easy: All of us get slaughtered or converted within a few days, leading to the rapid destruction of LOTR town.
Now to the second statement. After we lynch FII, will SW town vote as townies, or as SWs? Throughout the game, many SWs have held to a mentality that they can just wait to be converted, and win as converts. At the same time sirtommy's recent criticism of Jaremma tells me that this mentality is not exclusive in SW town. Moreover, some SWs are nonconvertible, and they cannot win at all if they permit a Vader takeover of SW town.
What are the risks if SWs are convinced by Vader to lynch us? Obviously, both towns, and the LOTR cult rapidly fall to the SW cult.
Well, I hope I have made myself clear to both sides. Keeping Vader alive after tomorrow is suicide for all townies, and all LOTR cultists. Keeping FII alive at all may or may not be suicide for us LOTRs.
Given this dilemma, I think I will trust SW town to act in the interest of their current role, as oppose to an anticipated future role. I will vote: Frozen in Ice. Die Morgothian heathen, hail Eru Ilúvatar!
Zack
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Which you are already doing.
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I think that means the votes cancel out and go on SIP, right?
