None Shall Pass [Game Thread - Concluded]

[dcmort93]

Unvote: Gone 3 the Celt This will explain it self shortly I think. If not I will do my best to explain. Also if you used a night action on me, contact me immediately

 

[spaceman98]

My vote on JHT was a joke. I've played with him plenty of times before, and one of times we were scum together. He jokingly implied that he was scum with me and and another player. Like he is jokingly implying that he is cult now.

He probably is, but I'm not lynching him because of that.

Rule 1 of being a killer: Don't make it obvious you're a killer. (Well, besides don't kill yourself.)

Why would I attempt to kill you, and then vote you immediately after you don't die? Why would I make it obvious to you that I had attacked you?

I think you're talking out of your rear at the moment.

Isn't this exactly the "I wouldn't do x as scum, therefore I am not scum" strategy you mentioned? I am back to not trusting you

 

[Visorslash]

Isn't this exactly the "I wouldn't do x as scum, therefore I am not scum" strategy you mentioned? I am back to not trusting you

Mine was a general statement about how to play a killing role. Theirs was related to themselves.

 

[choxorn]

dcmort, do you gain a copy of the ability regardless of whether or not it succeeds?

 

[spaceman98]

Anyways: dcmort's roleclaim looks good, and Nintz is ok for now. That leaves Celt, FII and azzaman.

On Celt: I find it hard to believe that scum would counter-claim a role they don't have, since that puts them at high risk of lynch, while they could just kill whatever power role they are counterclaiming with much less loss. If they do, I doubt they would draw attention to themselves by continuing to make false claims. Could it also be that Celt's roleblock roleblocked dcmort's ability to absorb his role?

Azzaman's and FII both look suspicious, but I will vote: Frozen in Ice for now, since unlike Celt, he (or she) has said nothing about their night actions so far, and made no testable claims. I also find it highly unlikely that there are two identical SW roleblockers with identical limitations. Azzaman's suspicion of Visor doesn't make much sense, since Aragorn is probably a town-sided vigilante.

 

[dcmort93]

As far as I am concerned Celt has been cleared. I got some clarification from Zack on some things.

 

[dcmort93]

dcmort, do you gain a copy of the ability regardless of whether or not it succeeds?

See my new pm

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Dcmort, do you gain both abilities if two abilities are used on you?

 

[dcmort93]

I'm not sure at the moment.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, let's find out.

Let's have two non-lethal ability users (especially anyone who is already outed, like a roleblocker) target you.

Then you can either gain two abilities, or you can find out that you can't.

You'll also be able to prove the whereabouts of two people, if it succeeds.

This should also firmly establish that you have this power, because you'll have to guess what powers were used on you if you do not have such a power.

It's a lose-nothing way of gaining a crapton of information.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

I also think your role is so nonessential that if, for example, the cult decides to murder you to block the information gain, it still keeps our vital roles alive. Besides, we might use a protector or watcher power on you, so it's a risk.

Can't think of a downside.

 

[dcmort93]

The only one would be that it could be seen as a waste of assets

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

The only one would be that it could be seen as a waste of assets

No.

We have two claimed roleblockers. If this succeeds you prove that one is a roleblocker and then you become a roleblocker temporarily, leading to an additional block the next night for zero net loss of resources and a net gain of information.

The other thing is we have most people healed up. If the healer targets you, you'd gain a healing power, and again, then we would have two healers, for no net loss of resources.

And we find out if you really have the power that you have by potentially doing a switcheroo and using a different set of powers. Which establishes you as being a mimic role.

As such, it is completely 100 percent positive for town.

Now then, the actual risk involved would be if you were cult, and then you just mimicked a bunch of town powers.

But I'm not sure how useful a single healing ability would be to a cult, and a single roleblock is not game-losing either.

There might be others with a low-grade scanning power (example, finding force users) and that scanning power is fairly benign even if used against us.

Whatever minimal risks there are are far outweighed by the gains, and since you're a mimic, you gain a night's use of someone else's power. No loss of resources.

If someone has a true objection to this plan I'll hear it. I don't see one.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

If I were LOTR cult, I would have converted Visorslash by now.

I'm not going to vote him based on that, but I'd advise caution.

I still believe very strongly he is not one of the starting LOTR cult people and as such, there are bigger fish to fry.

 

[azzaman333]

My vote on JHT was a joke. I've played with him plenty of times before, and one of times we were scum together. He jokingly implied that he was scum with me and and another player. Like he is jokingly implying that he is cult now.

He probably is, but I'm not lynching him because of that.

Rule 1 of being a killer: Don't make it obvious you're a killer. (Well, besides don't kill yourself.)

Why would I attempt to kill you, and then vote you immediately after you don't die? Why would I make it obvious to you that I had attacked you?

I think you're talking out of your rear at the moment.

I still don't like that you jumped off before getting any sort of reaction from anyone, and claiming it to be a joke vote is even worse in my mind because day 4 there's more than enough information floating round that joke voting is completely unnecessary at best, and counterproductive at worst.

Isn't this exactly the "I wouldn't do x as scum, therefore I am not scum" strategy you mentioned? I am back to not trusting you

Mine was a general statement about how to play a killing role. Theirs was related to themselves.

Yours was a general statement about how to play a killing role to defend yourself from my accusation. While not explicitly saying you'd never do it as scum, you definitely implied the hell out out of it.

Anyways: dcmort's roleclaim looks good, and Nintz is ok for now. That leaves Celt, FII and azzaman.

On Celt: I find it hard to believe that scum would counter-claim a role they don't have, since that puts them at high risk of lynch, while they could just kill whatever power role they are counterclaiming with much less loss. If they do, I doubt they would draw attention to themselves by continuing to make false claims. Could it also be that Celt's roleblock roleblocked dcmort's ability to absorb his role?

Azzaman's and FII both look suspicious, but I will vote: Frozen in Ice for now, since unlike Celt, he (or she) has said nothing about their night actions so far, and made no testable claims. I also find it highly unlikely that there are two identical SW roleblockers with identical limitations. Azzaman's suspicion of Visor doesn't make much sense, since Aragorn is probably a town-sided vigilante.

a) I don't like the assertion that one of the 2 SW roleblockers must be scum. It's clearly not a symmetric setup, so it doesn't seem unreasonable that they might both turn up on the same side.
b) Aragorn has tried to kill someone every night. In my experience, vigilantes have some sort of limitation on their night kills. So forgive me if I'm going to work on the assumption that a nightly killer is not a friend of the town.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

If both are town roleblockers, I bet you LOTR side has two of a certain kind of useful role as compensation.

Asymmetrical but nearly the same overall strength.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

However, if LOTR has a roleblocker at all, this makes the game setup absurd.

Three town roleblockers, especially if they began the game that way, is at least 1 too many.

Any LOTR roleblocker claim to choxorn before the day is over, please.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Did you ever find your Fett partner?

Visorslash got it wrong. I'm not fett or looking for a partner.

I am however a mason.

Speaking of Visor - do you trust him? I have noticed oddities.

I stated outright I think he's LOTR cult at this point. But not the leader.

I want the leader and I want him dead.

You are LOTR? I thought you were star wars.

Everyone is frigging LOTR in this game.

Who claimed I was LotR?

You're not a star wars mason. The SW masonry was Buddha and Dumanios.

Allegedly. Do you have proof apart from what they told you? Seems a great cover to claim a mason on a proven innocent.

Oh man. This is not a good thing.

Are you counterclaiming Buddha? Because if you are, one of you is scum.

No, i'm not counter claiming. I'm asking if you have proof.

This is going public now. Explanations will be needed.

Sorry. But we do not have 2 LOTR masons, 2 star wars masons, and an additional star wars mason who is not masons with the first 2 star wars masons.

Someone's lying.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Visor has informed me there are LOTR masons.

Buddha claimed SW mason with Dumanios.

KingMorgan is skeptical, demands proof. Says he's a mason.

I want to know why. We need a cultist lynched today and this is the top lead.

 

[Arakhor]

I said yesterday that KingMorgan was scummy.