Not Being the Nice Guy (split from Random Rants OA)

[Manfred Belheim]

Note that by all indications they sent the first e-mail, and when they say "I left my computer and..."
there is no evidence, or even an indication, or who sent it in their place. You are the one who has a harassment case, not them.

Well yes, in TheoryLand. Meanwhile back in the real world, no.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Well yes, in TheoryLand. Meanwhile back in the real world, no.

LOL...please, enlighten us as to how the "real world" works.

Guy says "there was a weird e-mail sent from my terminal." Okay, HR's first issue is to deal with his confession regarding leaving his terminal unattended.

THEN they get around to dealing with the content of this mysterious message, and the reply. Someone, and no one can honestly say they know who, sent a message offering sex. YOU sent a message declining, and pointing out that this message was not workplace appropriate. Tell me, oh wise master of the real world, what exactly do you think you are going to be accused of?

Nevermind. I don't see any indication that you have any grounds for giving opinions on the real world, beyond your bloated ego that is. Tell me, do ditch diggers have computer terminals?

 

[Arakhor]

Moderator Action: Come on, people. Please remember to at least be civil towards each other.

 

[Cutlass]

This can be solved with software.

Lock your Windows 10 PC automatically when you step away from it

Sure, but this also requires a device, and it doesn't need to be the phone, and the person has to have that device on them when they leave the comp. Not having left it in a drawer, or purse, or coat pocket.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Oh I suppose it'll be this thread then. I don't know if "ditch diggers" is slang for something, or if you actually think I dig ditches for a living.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that if a woman made a complaint that a work colleague had used her machine to send offers of sex to himself to make it look like she'd done it, there's a very good chance that she would be believed, or at the very least no decision would be made either way. The idea that the man could actually get her in trouble over it doesn't seem very plausible at all. And as you're generally an advocate of "listen and believe" I would have thought you'd be happy about this anyway.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Oh I suppose it'll be this thread then. I don't know if "ditch diggers" is slang for something, or if you actually think I dig ditches for a living.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that if a woman made a complaint that a work colleague had used her machine to send offers of sex to himself to make it look like she'd done it, there's a very good chance that she would be believed, or at the very least no decision would be made either way. The idea that the man could actually get her in trouble over it doesn't seem very plausible at all. And as you're generally an advocate of "listen and believe" I would have thought you'd be happy about this anyway.

First off, oh master of reality instead of theory, which part of "Someone, and no one can honestly say they know who, sent a message offering sex" slipped past you? While I am all for "listen and believe"...at least enough to give a fair hearing...I have enough respect for women I've worked with to know that they are generally smart enough to realize that the fact the e-mail was sent from their computer TO me is not actually proof, or even an indication, that it was sent BY me. BTW, even you might notice that when I suggested this I didn't specify that the person being taught not to leave their keyboard had to be a woman for it to be effective.

 

[Lexicus]

Oh I suppose it'll be this thread then. I don't know if "ditch diggers" is slang for something, or if you actually think I dig ditches for a living.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that if a woman made a complaint that a work colleague had used her machine to send offers of sex to himself to make it look like she'd done it, there's a very good chance that she would be believed, or at the very least no decision would be made either way. The idea that the man could actually get her in trouble over it doesn't seem very plausible at all. And as you're generally an advocate of "listen and believe" I would have thought you'd be happy about this anyway.

This post could be the subject of a clickbaity Return of Kings article titled "poster DESTROYS feminism with FACTS and LOGIC"

To be clear, that is meant as a genuine compliment, of sorts.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

First off, oh master of reality instead of theory, which part of "Someone, and no one can honestly say they know who, sent a message offering sex" slipped past you? While I am all for "listen and believe"...at least enough to give a fair hearing...I have enough respect for women I've worked with to know that they are generally smart enough to realize that the fact the e-mail was sent from their computer TO me is not actually proof, or even an indication, that it was sent BY me. BTW, even you might notice that when I suggested this I didn't specify that the person being taught not to leave their keyboard had to be a woman for it to be effective.

I'm pretty sure you said "you are the one who has a harassment case, not them" as your closing statement though.

I'm still curious as to what you meant by "ditch digger" though. I had a look on urban dictionary, but I'm not Mexican so I doubt you meant it in that sense. Unless you think I'm Mexican?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm pretty sure you said "you are the one who has a harassment case, not them" as your closing statement though.

I'm still curious as to what you meant by "ditch digger" though. I had a look on urban dictionary, but I'm not Mexican so I doubt you meant it in that sense. Unless you think I'm Mexican?

It was a satirical reference to your claimed knowledge of the "real world" of office pranks and policies.

And I did say that, and it is still true. While anyone who has a harassment complaint should be heard with the reasonable respect that calls for a starting position of "you are telling the truth," in the situation described there would ultimately be nothing but uncertainty since they really have no way of knowing who sent the message.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

It was a satirical reference to your claimed knowledge of the "real world" of office pranks and policies.

Calling me a Mexican is "satirical"?

 

[Yeekim]

Sure, the way out of the situation isn't by shouting at someone. But at the same time, it's worth being aware that a prank which has a financial impact on someone may not be received with the intended humour, for reasons beyond your own control or knowledge.

The prank has zero financial impact, if one is willing to suffer a minor loss of face and not buy the donuts forego the option of earning extra coolness points by actually buying the donuts.

Note that by all indications they sent the first e-mail, and when they say "I left my computer and..." there is no evidence, or even an indication, or who sent it in their place. You are the one who has a harassment case, not them.

Barring something like a witness, or door card logs, both almost a given in any open office environment.

 

[rah]

We used the term ditch digger all the time at work and was not a reference or a slur to Mexicans.
We used it to describe a worker that did the grunt work that our best workers didn't want to do. It was the employee that traditionally got the low raise so the better workers could get more when you were distributing from a set pool. Every team needed a few so they could better reward their better workers. It's the main flaw in a lot of companies that distribute raises and bonuses from a set pool. It penalizes you for hiring the best since you can't possibly keep them all happy. I always thought it was silly disguised as fairness.

 

[warpus]

I have enough respect for women I've worked with to know that they are generally smart enough to realize that the fact the e-mail was sent from their computer TO me is not actually proof

HR will not need proof in such a situation. Who's to say how this would play out, it depends on the people involved.. I wouldn't play that game, though. HR's job is to protect the company, not the employees. Even if there's 0 proof your butt might be on the line anyway

 

[Mise]

1) I'm pretty sure that this "prank" would be illegal in the UK. Impersonating another person; unauthorised use of their computer and email; privacy violation. I'm sure there are other things that this entails that are also potentially illegal.

2) This "prank" would be against the company policy at any major firm in the UK.

3) You can lock your computer by pressing WIN+L (i.e. holding the windows key and pressing L). You can, of course, lock anyone else's computer in the same way.

4) You can also leave a note on their computer reminding them to do so.

5) Being a nice guy has nothing to do with the rewards you get from society or whatever. lol. You be a good person and abide by a set of moral and ethical codes because it's the right thing to do. JFC. Sometimes, doing the right thing means doing something that personally disadvantages you. You do the right thing in spite of this.

EDIT
6) The "prank" emailing offers of sex to a co-worker is not only childish but would again almost certainly be against company policy.

7) This "prank" would probably be illegal too, under harassment laws.


Disclaimer: IANAL.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Well I can only deduce you're a bunch of ditch diggers with bloated egos if you dare disagree with Tim-the-Mighty.

 

[Mise]

For the record I genuinely don't see the humour in it. I like the "screenshot your desktop, set it as the background, and hide all icons & windows" as a better prank. We used to do that in school computer lessons, back when pranking people was last considered funny.


EDIT: Also for the record I have a HUGE ego. The biggest.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Or depending on the person you could play around with their theme settings and desktop background and give them an awesome Pegasus-Barbie theme......(pink menu bars, white text, Barbie Pegasus icons everywhere..)

 

[Lexicus]

Well I can only deduce you're a bunch of ditch diggers with bloated egos if you dare disagree with Tim-the-Mighty.

This post made me wish I had any kind of image-editing skills, because I want to make an animation of Neo dodging bullets in the Matrix except Neo is labelled "Manfred" and each bullet is labelled "the point"

 

[Traitorfish]

If you want a simple, harmless prank, just use ctrl+alt+down to turn their screen upside down. If they're a tech guy, it'll probably cause no more than a moment's confusion, but will serve as a pointed reminder about locking your screen.

 

[warpus]

And if you want to have some extra fun, find two computers that are facing away from each other, and plug in one PC's keyboard and mouse into the other PC and vice versa