NotW XLI: Chronomancy Redux [Game Thread]

[Takhisis]

Sir Knight has killed no Chronomancers*, and until and unless they speak for themselves I cannot treat them as friends of mine. civplayah was the target of both choxorn and bsmith. He has a better claim to the items than Harkonnen does, plus perhaps a better use for them. He should get them.

*Unless Gamezrule is one.

What better claim? HarkonnenII is a vigilante and has killed scum (and someone revived through time reversal ) while civplayahn has made several inconsisten claims about knowing (or not) what to do.

Interesting... Backwards logic voted for Bsmith. Disunited chronomancers or spreading clouds of confusion? I'm not treating anyone as innocent just because of voting patterns.

Ye-es… except that Backwards Logic never voted in either of his posts. Did he have a secret vote? Did the other chronomancers (or someone else) control/change his vote?

Jarrema, Autolycus, just vaguely claiming you too have some ability that could use an item isn't really that great. In fact, considering you're implicitly refusing to let civplayah try out his ability, that's not a very comforting move. Firstly civplayah's ability really sounds very useful it's true so I'd like to hear good reasons someone else's ability is more immediately necessary. Waiting a whole one day for you guys to then get some items and get into your abilities is not exactly a big deal, if we get civplayah sorted out now.

Yayyy! Except you're wrong. As I keep saying -and you keep ignoring- we have no proof of civplayah's ability either. Oh, and he doesn't even seem to know what his ability is supposed to be.

Jarrema at least seems to be implying something clearly, in that he will attack someone. I think we might want some more commitment and assurances before taking such a risk though. If we vote you what you want, how about you plan to first attack Abaddon who hasn't shown up?

Abaddon's been banned, Earthling. For a couple days now.

And if civplayah is somehow scum, he's backed into a corner with just about no choices, if things don't come through then we'd have solid proof and can get rid of him. He gets the items, and then he can put everything back up to vote (or if the scum get desperate and kill him, well, tough luck but it'll show he's town).

Or, if he's scum, he keeps the items. Either way we don't have a means of checking whether he gts his five items.

I will say, people mass voting to Harkonnen, that's a silly move and very possible scum would try that now to blend in. If he wants something specific and says he has a reason we should oblige, sure, but by default Harkonnen can't use all the items on his own, and if you assume he's just going to pass the item to someone like civplayah in private, cut out the wasted time and just vote the items now to the people who need them all for "abilities" so we can sort it all out sooner.

WHAT? That's almost as bad as saying that people shouldn't vote a revealed werewolf just because it allows the rest of the scum to blend in! Herp derp!

I also find it suspicious that Autolycus will vote the hourglass, an obvious chronomancy artifact, to someone who was revived by time reversal. Bad reasoning, I believe, and worthy my vote.

Also, BSmith was the only one voting Autolycus besides Auto himself for the greaves.

 

[Earthling]

Takhisis, that entire post is absolute nonsense. It better not be anything other than a smokescreen to distract from your vote of Autolycus at the end, which is the only point of anything you said, and I'm not sure there are perfectly great reasons to wagon on Autolycus now.

So Abaddon is gone and won't contribute to the town if he is town, and we could have another supposed vigilante prove his ability. What is your actual problem with that, you didn't mention?

And you're wrong that civplayah can't prove his ability. In fact, it's exactly what I said so I don't know why you missed it. He simply can put all the items he gets up to vote the next day after he gets them, and if not then we could go after him. And that's without other reasons to think civplayah is Innocent, I could see if you declared you'd only vote items to Harkonnen but otherwise the point is to work out these ability claims of Autolycus/Jarrema/civplayah/anyone else.

 

[Takhisis]

Takhisis, that entire post is absolute nonsense.

I'm glad you have such a capacity for self-criticism.

It better not be anything other than a smokescreen to distract from your vote of Autolycus at the end, which is the only point of anything you said, and I'm not sure there are perfectly great reasons to wagon on Autolycus now.

How about Autolycus being a thief, I mean, forced-exchanger?

So Abaddon is gone and won't contribute to the town if he is town, and we could have another supposed vigilante prove his ability. What is your actual problem with that, you didn't mention?

My problem is that you are twisting my words. What you said was let's attack Abaddon because he's lurking. What I said was 'he's not lurking, he's been banned. I have neither said I had or didn't have a problem with your statment. It has problems of its own. Everything else is your own feverish imagination at work, Earthling.

And you're wrong that civplayah can't prove his ability. In fact, it's exactly what I said so I don't know why you missed it. He simply can put all the items he gets up to vote the next day after he gets them, and if not then we could go after him. And that's without other reasons to think civplayah is Innocent, I could see if you declared you'd only vote items to Harkonnen but otherwise the point is to work out these ability claims of Autolycus/Jarrema/civplayah/anyone else.

You've said that Jarrema and Autolycus have amde vague claims related to items. So has civplayah. Seriously, you're growing even more of a rude paranoid maniac with each new game.

Haven't you noticed that I''ve only ever voted items for myself or for Sir Harkonnen II?

 

[Winston Hughes]

The Noble sits painting her fingernails an extravagant shade of pink. Pausing to look around at the rest of the group, her sparkling eyes narrow as they settle on the Adventurer, Save_Ferris.

Hiding in the shadows? Hoping everyone will forget your cowardly moves around the Spirit Mage? You filthy rogue. Here’s a tip from me: if you want to remain hidden, try taking a bath sometimes. I can smell you from over here.

 

[TheForestAuro]

NotW XLI: Afternoon Two - [PHASE 11]

Insert content-less fluff here. Include a bit about the storm being relievingly far away due to the rewind.

Zack has replaced Abbadon as The Worker.

Spoiler Vote Tally :

---Lynch
3 - Autolycus (Romanichine, Jaremma, Takhisis)
1 - Red Spy (Earthling)
1 - Winston Hughes (Harkonnen)
1 - Save_Ferris (Winston)


---Marble Hourglass
5 - Harkonnen (Takhisis, Red_Spy, jht, mergle, Harkonnen)
2 - Civplayah (Earthling, landlubber)
1 - momo1000 (momo1000)
1 - GamezRule (Autolcyus)


---Walking Staff
4 - Harkonnen (Takhisis, Red_Spy, jht, mergle)
2 - Civplayah (Earthling, landlubber)
1 - Autolycus (Autolycus)


---Ironwood Staff
5 - Harkonnen (Takhisis, Red_Spy, jht, mergle, Harkonnen)
2 - Civplayah (Earthling, landlubber)
2 - Jaremma (Frozen, Jarrema)
1 - Autolycus (Autolycus)


---Ancient Infernal Armor
5 - Harkonnen (Harkonnen, Takhisis, Red_Spy, jht, mergle)
3 - GamezRule (GamezRule, Earthling, AUtolycus)
1 - Civplayah (landlubber)
1 - Seon (Seon)

It is now AFTERNOON TWO
Accusation Votes are in BLACK
Support Votes are in GREEN
Votes for the Marble Hourglass are in BLUE
Votes for the Walking Staff are in DARK ORCHID
Votes for the Ironwood Staff are in DARK ORANGE
Votes for the Ancient Infernal Armor are in RED
If you have Afternoon Phase abilities, Send them to me!
23 Hours Until Night Phase!​

 

[Optical]

Everything to Harkonnen II. I trust him.


As for the lynch... sorry, but civplayah's story keeps changing, and I still think he's the most suspicious.

 

[Autolycus]

Yes, Takhisis, I am indeed an item-exchanger, as you know. Ergo, I am not the killer. I do want to give items to myself and people we know aren't demons. Based on Harkonnen having stabbed GamezRule, I'm pretty sure they're not both Chronomancers. Since there is a chance Harkonnen is a Chronomancer, I'd rather not give him all the items. My current plan gives Harkonnen one item and GamezRule one, and proves GamezRule's ability claim. In the interest of rationing out the items more broadly, I'll renounce my claim on the Ironwood Staff and support jarrema for it.

 

[Autolycus]

By which I meant renounce my claim and support Jarrema for it.

 

[civplayah]

Seon has told me that he can destroy the Infernal Armor.

Now, I could have used all this support when I first brought up my ability. :/

Harkonnen deserves the items.

 

[Frozen In Ice]

I can't believe I'm agreeing with that stuck-up, never-worked-a-day-in-her-life Noble, but Save Ferris's actions do seem a bit suspicious in light of yesterday's developments.

 

[Zack]

[OOC: Yes, I get to read over the entire thread now, since I haven't been following this game at all! ]

EDIT: Actually, I am far too lazy for that.

 

[Zack]

The Worker stops and wipes the sweat from his brow. He looks around at the others, not really understanding who they are, or what is going on.

"I suppose Harkonnen II is a worthy fellow to possess all of these items. As for who to kill, well, I don't really know. I've been, er, busy. Not a clue who is suspicious and who is not, lads, so please bear with me." The Worker pauses. "Please don't kill me, chaps."

 

[Earthling]

It's very unlikely Harkonnen is a chronomancer either guys, so yes, he can have all the items and that'll keep anything out of bad hands and let decisions be made. It'll just be disappointing if we're missing out on other opportunities.

I think we could slowly, methodically try to find the chronomancer allies of BSmith but if people have other evidence or grudges against these others I don't care too much to get in the way. Neither Autolycus nor Save_Ferris have explained anything really to my satisfaction but the cases against them are equally not excellent.

I'm a bit more worried now about some in our expedition becoming confused and panicky over what is going on:

OOC: Don't have a way to explain this other than OOC. The way I see it, we could have scum pretending to not know stuff they know and townies who just didn't pay attention, maybe indistinguishable right now, but it needs to stop. Knew people wouldn't read the rules or the setting and not get some things, especially other townies, but it's clear we can't expect more clarifications from the host so what we have to work with is what we have to work with. So since I paid attention I'm just going to explain what people are missing.

Anyway, you guys, this time skip here seems strictly written into the game and quite possibly wasn't done by anyone's action at all. The theory that someone wanted GamezRule revived specifically is really, really bad. yes, we should talk about what other things happened and will happen again. Because this will happen again, we'll go back in time by default before the storm strikes at the end of Day Three, and we'll have to piece together whatever other revives and effects happen again.

Now I know with this time skip business it's easy to say only the Chronomancers know what's really going on so how can anyone else be sure - well I can't, not being a scum myself, and that's why we should talk about this. They could do something else unexpected besides what seems to be the hard cutoff of Day Three. But all the discussion so far seems very wrong, because it contradicts what we already know.

So a lot of people must not have read parts of the rules and this from TheForestAuro, and I just have to point this out OOC.

Redux will take place over a series of three days and nights that rewind and fast-forward Majora's Mask style, with lots of lulzy time-traveling fun!

Everyone woke early this morning, as the roar of the storm closed in on them. A giant vortex now loomed eeirly close to the city and it would surely reach Hajii by the next morning, if not sooner, where certain death awaited them all.

As the sun set and the storm drew ever closer

So three days guys. And no, I'm not a Chronomancer for talking about this nor could I really say anything for sure about the other people who proposed likely wrong theories, if they are scum being misleading on purpose or not, regardless the town just needs to know.

 

[Mergle]

Earthling's reasoning above is good, and I'd already got a bad feeling about Red Spy from his day one behaviour, so...

 

[Mergle]

Just had a thought while loading the dishwasher...

I think the storm is a timelimit on the game. If we reach the fourth day, we all die. But I suspect that as long as a chronomancer is alive, time rewinds just before we get there.

If I'm right, and guessing 3 chronomancers and 3 demons... we'd better protect the last of the chronomancers. If there is one. If not, we'd better get the next two lynches right or it's curtains.

 

[Jarrema]

Just had a thought while loading the dishwasher...

I think the storm is a timelimit on the game. If we reach the fourth day, we all die. But I suspect that as long as a chronomancer is alive, time rewinds just before we get there.

If I'm right, and guessing 3 chronomancers and 3 demons... we'd better protect the last of the chronomancers. If there is one. If not, we'd better get the next two lynches right or it's curtains.

IMHO you are wrong. You are trying to protect chronomancers - maybe you are one of them?

 

[civplayah]

I think that's a strange idea but I don't think you're right.

 

[Zack]

Just had a thought while loading the dishwasher...

I think the storm is a timelimit on the game. If we reach the fourth day, we all die. But I suspect that as long as a chronomancer is alive, time rewinds just before we get there.

If I'm right, and guessing 3 chronomancers and 3 demons... we'd better protect the last of the chronomancers. If there is one. If not, we'd better get the next two lynches right or it's curtains.

OOC: This post just reeks of Perfect Information Syndrome. Your sympathetic attitude towards the chronomancers also reminds me of Diamondeye talking about the saboteurs in Impending Retribution. (While he was technically innocent, he was also looking to be recruited by the mafia. So, for all intents and purposes, he was mafia.)

IC: All in all, what is most troubling is not your display of PIS, but your sympathy towards the chronomancers. Which, I might remind you, are the enemy. Well, at least they're my enemy, even if they might be your allies.

Vote: Mergle

 

[landlubber]

What is this voting you speak of?

 

[Zack]

Oh, shut up, you.