Obama to call for repeal of DADT in State of the Union

[Formaldehyde]

The new Navy anthem?

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Acting gay: Kissing, holding hands, fondling, licking, staring longingly at, etc someone of the same sex.

You really needed a definition?

Having this kind of thing going on inthe open is not good for the good order and discipline of a unit. For proof, just look at mixed sex units and see the myriad of problems that arise with inappropriate male/female relationships.

Didn't seem to be a problem for the Sacred Band.

 

[capslock]

lol, well i guess if we completely remodel our military into a group of hand picked male couples, it won't be for us either, rofl. However, we might lose a considerable amount of personel and capabilities.

 

[Cutlass]

lol, well i guess if we completely remodel our military into a group of hand picked male couples, it won't be for us either, rofl. However, we might lose a considerable amount of personel and capabilities.

It doesn't disrupt other nation's militaries. Why would it disrupt ours?

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Well if you're suggesting that gay couples would drop out of line or combat to go make out somewhere, or that they'll salute with floppy wrists, I think you're basing your understanding of them on a few bigoted stereotypes. There's no reason they wouldn't hold up to or be held up to the same standards anyone and everyone else in the military is. After all, it is a volunteer organization.

 

[JollyRoger]

it doesn't disrupt other nation's militaries. Why would it disrupt ours?

usa (ur)

 

[Syterion]

Having this kind of thing going on inthe open is not good for the good order and discipline of a unit. For proof, just look at mixed sex units and see the myriad of problems that arise with inappropriate male/female relationships.

Isn't this a problem with the discipline of the unit members and not a problem with the actual allowing of open gays in the military?

 

[capslock]

It doesn't disrupt other nation's militaries. Why would it disrupt ours?

Do you know who/what the Sacred Band was? lol His example has no place in this disscussion, and I was making fun of him for bringing it up.


IDK fellas, try looking at it from a different perspective. Something other than, OMG its discrimination! I didn't mention anything about floppy wrists salutes or any other kind of stereotype. You guys are the ones that keep harping on that BS.

My concern is dealing with the issues that arise from having open gayness in the military. Are the positves (arabic translator here, med. officer there, smiles on liberal college students, etc) worth the negatives? You seem to think there aren't any negatives, but I'm not really seeing it that way.

 

[capslock]

Isn't this a problem with the discipline of the unit members and not a problem with the actual allowing of open gays in the military?

If discipline/restrictions could be enforced when it comes to sex, there wouldn't be over 6 billion people on the planet.

 

[JollyRoger]

My concern is dealing with the issues that arise from having open gayness in the military. Are the positves (arabic translator here, med. officer there, smiles on liberal college students, etc) worth the negatives? Since you seem to think there aren't any negatives, but I'm not really seeing it that way.

What negatives are you referencing? Bigots having to get over it?

 

[capslock]

I mentioned it in my first post. Its easy though to pretend its just about discrimination and bigotry, isn't it?

 

[Camikaze]

My concern is dealing with the issues that arise from having open gayness in the military. Are the positves (arabic translator here, med. officer there, smiles on liberal college students, etc) worth the negatives? You seem to think there aren't any negatives, but I'm not really seeing it that way.

Wait, so what are the negatives again? Do you really think that disciplinary problems would come from allowing gay people in the military?

 

[Karalysia]

The following countries allow homosexuals to serve openly in the military. If it works there why doesn't it work here?

2.1 Argentina
2.2 Australia
2.3 Austria
2.4 Belgium
2.5 Bermuda
2.6 Brazil
2.7 Canada
2.8 Czech Republic
2.9 Denmark
2.10 Estonia
2.11 Finland
2.12 France
2.13 Germany
2.14 Ireland
2.15 Israel
2.16 Italy
2.17 Lithuania
2.18 Luxembourg
2.19 The Netherlands
2.20 New Zealand
2.21 Norway
2.22 Peru
2.23 Philippines
2.24 Romania
2.25 Slovenia
2.26 South Africa
2.27 Spain
2.28 Sweden
2.29 Switzerland
2.30 United Kingdom
2.31 Uruguay

 

[Camikaze]

I mentioned it in my first post. Its easy though to pretend its just about discrimination and bigotry, isn't it?

Oh right, so you're saying that if Don't Ask Don't Tell was repealed, all the homosexual people in the military who have up until now kept their sexuality a secret (because that's the rules, and they are following the rules) would suddenly start abandoning order and discipline? Why would people who have up until this point followed the rules suddenly start breaking the rules?

 

[kulade]

i can't belive this is even an issue. looking at the military is only part of the problem, why do we let sodomites hold government jobs anyway? we dont want them making about all gay-like all day. they'll just use our tax payer's public restrooms to make gay sex. in fact, why are gay people allowed to hold jobs in america in the first place? there taking away patriotic strait americans job!

 

[Karalysia]

USA #1 (minarets and burqa allowed)

But not gays.

 

[JollyRoger]

Its easy though to pretend its just about discrimination and bigotry, isn't it?

Just as easy as it is to pretend that it's not.

 

[Formaldehyde]

This could be the secret to ending sexual assaults in prisons. Just implement DADT.

 

[JollyRoger]

Or straight rape. Impose universal DADT across all orientations and all occupations.

 

[Karalysia]

"We find unity in our incredible diversity, drawing on the promise enshrined in our Constitution: the notion that we are all created equal, that no matter who you are or what you look like, if you abide by the law you should be protected by it," he said.

"We must continually renew this promise. My administration has a Civil Rights Division that is once again prosecuting civil rights violations and employment discrimination. We finally strengthened our laws to protect against crimes driven by hate," he said.

"This year, I will work with Congress and our military to finally repeal the law that denies gay Americans the right to serve the country they love because of who they are."

But in a message to Pentagon leadership, Gen. John Shalikashvili, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said it's time to repeal the law.

"As a nation built on the principal of equality, we should recognize and welcome change that will build a stronger more cohesive military," said Shalikashvili. His letter was sent to Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, D-New York, who supports repealing the policy.

The Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, an organization that works with those affected by the "don't ask, don't tell" law, praised Obama's call for repeal.

"We very much need a sense of urgency to get this done in 2010," the group said. "We call on the president to repeal the archaic 1993 law in his defense budget currently being drafted, that is probably the only and best moving bill where DADT can be killed this year. ... The American public, including conservatives, is overwhelmingly with the commander in chief on this one."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/27/obama.gays.military/index.html?hpt=C1