Okay is not okay anymore...Okay?

[Berzerker]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...ern-used-white-power-sign-in-photo-with-trump

A recent White House intern's use of the "OK" hand sign in a photo with President Trump is being interpreted by many as the use of a white power hand sign, after the "OK' symbol was adopted by far-right groups in recent months.

Harumph! The Nazis swiped the swastika from cosmology and religion and the KKK has contaminated the cross, now 3 fingers extended with 2 forming a circle - the symbol for "okay" - means white power.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

Moderator Action: Off the rails on the first page. Well done, people. Thread closed for review.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

Moderator Action: The thread has been reopened with offensive and off-topic posts removed. Please use a little decorum and civility when discussing the topic.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I have never heard this hand sign had been co-opted. Maybe we should stop paying these people attention. Half the problem is the fixation and attention they receive.

 

[metatron]

I have never heard this hand sign had been co-opted.

Yes, of course.
That happened some time after "milk" and before "aryan Swift".
Or the other way around. I don't remember.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I have never heard this hand sign had been co-opted. Maybe we should stop paying these people attention. Half the problem is the fixation and attention they receive.

The other half of the problem is more difficult to resolve, and without resolving that half the paying attention to them part of the problem can't be dealt with effectively. Paying attention to them is bad, but letting them operate unobserved is worse.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Geez. This is political correctness gone nutzaloids! I mean it's like something out of south park. The Political Correctness movement is just as destructive as the alt-right. and now it seems like your either part of the Political Correct camp or you're part of the Alt-Right movement and there is no in between. Then people wonder why the US is such a mess....

 

[Perfection]

k

 

[Berzerker]

I'm glad this was reopened, I screwed up... The Nazis took a religious, cosmological symbol and reversed it.

 

[Perfection]

I'm glad this was reopened, I screwed up... The Nazis took a religious, cosmological symbol and reversed it.

God Nazis were such jerks

 

[Synobun]

God Nazis were such jerks

By far your hottest take on CFC.

 

[Kyriakos]

I have never heard this hand sign had been co-opted. Maybe we should stop paying these people attention. Half the problem is the fixation and attention they receive.

Indeed. This is just the sign for 'good', 'ok', 'good job' etc. How is it 'alt-right'?
If the alt-right uses the victory sign, or whatever, is that then alt-right too?

That said, the article is by the daily mail, which is not ok, while being alt-right ^^

 

[Broken_Erika]

Indeed. This is just the sign for 'good', 'ok', 'good job' etc. How is it 'alt-right'?
If the alt-right uses the victory sign, or whatever, is that then alt-right too?

By their logic; The Alt right breathes air, therefore anyone who breathes air is a Nazi!

 

[hobbsyoyo]

By their logic; The Alt right breathes air, therefore anyone who breathes air is a Nazi!

This is pretty much it. And then you have the rest of the media covering every stupid thing Trump does like the world's biggest reality series. I mean I get that's what he is going for but we shouldn't give it to him

 

[Berzerker]

God Nazis were such jerks

We should have seen it coming... The cross and swastika have a similar origin, they represent the '4 corners' of the world yet both were co-opted by bigots. How dare them...

 

[Kyriakos]

The 'swastica' (called that by ww2 germans) was an important ancient greek symbol too, common in vase iconography. Basically it is a sort of 'spiral' made of right-angles instead of curves.

Eg, Odysseus blinding the cyclops Polyphemos:

Afaik it meant 'regeneration'.

 

[NinjaCow64]

There’s a video I feel is relevant to this conversation. Its about how innocuous symbols (such as the ok hand) are used by Fascists and their ilk for various purposes.

I will warn you that the author of the piece usually has some bizarre...performance art during most of their pieces. It might push the definition of “family friendly” a little, so I’ll put it under a spoiler. If a moderator tells me its over the line then I will edit it out. Regardless of this, I fully recommend watching the video in its entirety as she makes some good points in between the avant-guard stuff.

Moderator Action: I have removed direct embedding of the video, but if people wish to watch a 23-min video, I've edited the link into the post. ~ Arakhor

 

[Ryika]

I have never heard this hand sign had been co-opted. Maybe we should stop paying these people attention. Half the problem is the fixation and attention they receive.

The ADL is (surprisingly) on point when it comes to recollecting how this happened:

Has the simple thumb-and-forefinger “OK” hand gesture become a white supremacist hand sign? Well, no, it hasn’t, but you are likely to hear just the opposite from social media, thanks to the latest hoax from members of notorious website <that shall not be named>.


The site <that shall not be named> is an anonymous discussion board with an outsized cultural impact on the Internet. It has been responsible for everything from the “I can haz cheeseburger” cat meme to the concept of rickrolling. There is little that <users from the website that shall not be named> like so much as a hoax and in recent months they have served up a number of fakeries with white supremacist themes to largely credulous on-line audiences.


The “OK” hand gesture hoax originated in February 2017 when an anonymous <users from the website that shall not be named> announced “Operation O-KKK,” telling other members that “we must flood Twitter and other social media websites…claiming that the OK hand sign is a symbol of white supremacy.” The user even provided a helpful graphic showing how the letters WP (for “white power”) could be traced within an “OK” gesture. The originator and others also suggested useful hashtags to help spread the hoax, such as #PowerHandPrivilege and #NotOkay. “Leftists have dug so deep down into their lunacy,” wrote the poster, “We must force [them] to dig more, until the rest of society ain’t going anywhere near that ****.”


Following the cues of the hoax’s originator, <people from the website that shall not be named> created fake e-mail and Twitter accounts and bombarded civil rights organizations, journalists, and others with messages furthering the “OK” hoax. Some of the hoaxers were possibly racists or white supremacists themselves, as parts of <the website that shall not be named> are something of a haven for them and the site itself has been a source of adherents of the alt right segment of the white supremacist movement.


The original launch of “Operation O-KKK” sputtered after a few days and it seemed that the hoax had run its course without spreading too far, but it picked up again in late April and this time was far more successful in spreading across social media—and beyond.


The “OK” hoax was actually just the most recent in a recent series of hoaxes in which <users from the website that shall not be named> (and members of other, similar places on the Internet such as <the other website that that shall not be named> and Reddit) have tried to take innocuous items, symbols or gestures and falsely attribute white supremacist meanings to them in order to fool liberals and get them to spread such false messages.


One recent [...] thread <on the website that shall not be named> devoted itself to brainstorming the next such hoax. “We need to make some pics that are warning parents about what the dab really means and spread it around,” wrote one <user from the website that shall not be named> (the “dab” is a popular dance move). Another <user from the website that shall not be named> suggested spreading the notion that clapping was “anti-feminist.”


One of the more successful of these recent <website that shall not be named> hoaxes, also originating in February 2017, was the concept that white supremacists were drinking milk to show “the superiority of the white race” and the “purity of white milk.” One hoaxer trying to convince the Anti-Defamation League “explained” that “they are chugging milk in front of people of color, quoting racist books and phrases and supposed statistics about people of color being lactose intolerant.” Even a number of media websites bought into the milk hoax.


Another such hoax was the attempt by <users from the website that shall not be named> to convince people that white supremacists had adopted a popular polar bear emoji from the messenger app Kik as a white supremacist symbol. In recent days, ADL has received e-mails from other would-be hoaxers attempting to claim that white supremacists had adopted symbols ranging from the rainbow flag to the iFunny chef (the mascot of humor website iFunny) as new hate symbols.


The fact that all of these hoaxes have emerged in recent months is not a coincidence; they are a reaction to the surge of media attention given to white supremacy, especially the alt right, in the wake of the 2016 election campaign. They are also a response to the willingness of many on the left in the United States to believe that the Trump administration is full of hardcore white supremacists, a belief so powerful that recently a photo of White House staffer Stephen Miller adjusting his suit and tie before an interview went viral with the claim that Miller was actually using his hands to form an obscure white supremacist hand sign for “white power” as a secret signal to white supremacists who might be watching. It is this willingness to believe that <users from the website that shall not be named> have been trying to exploit.


The reality is, though, that white supremacist symbols and signs do not form and become accepted overnight. “Leaving aside hate group logos, most hate symbols appear and spread organically, over time,” said Mark Pitcavage, Senior Research Fellow in ADL’s Center on Extremism. “The process of acceptance and growth in use typically takes months or even years, even for on-line symbols. If someone presents you with a symbol and says it is the big new white supremacist symbol, you should be appropriately skeptical.”

Source: ADL

 

[Perfection]

kkk stole k

 

[Berzerker]

I've been duped by the fake media...


See how I passed the buck?