One for the 'hope and change' crowd....

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/02/20/obama-administration-affirms-bush-policy-detainee-rights/

Obama Administration Affirms Bush Policy on Detainee Rights
Justice Department lawyers filed court papers agreeing that detainees at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan cannot use U.S. courts to challenge their detentions

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's Justice Department sided with the former Bush administration on Friday, saying detainees in Afghanistan have no constitutional rights.

In a two-sentence court filing, department lawyers said the Obama administration agreed that detainees at Bagram Air Base cannot use U.S. courts to challenge their detentions. The filing shocked human rights attorneys.

"The hope we all had in President Obama to lead us on a different path has not turned out as we'd hoped," said Tina Monshipour Foster, a human rights attorney representing a detainee at the Bagram Air Base. "We all expected better."

In midyear last year, the Supreme Court gave al-Qaida and Taliban suspects held at the U.S. Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the right to challenge their detention. With about 600 detainees at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan and thousands more held in Iraq, courts are grappling with whether they, too, can sue to be released.

Three months after the Supreme Court's ruling on Guantanamo Bay, four Afghan citizens being detained at Bagram tried to challenge their detentions in U.S. District Court in Washington. Court filings alleged that the U.S. military had held them without charges, repeatedly interrogating them without any means to contact an attorney. Their petition was filed for them by relatives since they had no way of getting access to the legal system.

The military has determined that all the detainees at Bagram are "enemy combatants." The Bush administration said in a response to the petition last year that the enemy combatant status of the Bagram detainees is reviewed every six months, taking into consideration classified intelligence and testimony from those involved in their capture and interrogation.

After Obama took office, a federal judge in Washington gave the new administration a month to decide whether it wanted to stand by Bush's legal argument. Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd says the filing speaks for itself.

"They've now embraced the Bush policy that you can create prisons outside the law," said Jonathan Hafetz, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union who has represented several detainees.

The Justice Department argues that Bagram is different from Guantanamo Bay because it is in an overseas war zone and the prisoners there are being held as part of a continuing military action. The government argues that releasing enemy combatants into the Afghan war zone, or even diverting U.S. personnel there to consider their legal cases, could threaten security.

The government also said that if the Bagram detainees had access to the courts, it would allow all foreigners captured by the United States in conflicts worldwide to do the same.

It Is not the first time that the Obama administration has used a Bush administration legal argument after promising to review it. Last week, Attorney General Eric Holder announced a review of every court case in which the Bush administration invoked the state secrets privilege, a separate legal tool it used to have lawsuits thrown out rather than reveal secrets.

The same day, however, civil division attorney Douglas Letter cited that privilege in asking an appeals court to uphold dismissal of a lawsuit accusing a Boeing Co. subsidiary of illegally helping the CIA fly suspected terrorists to allied foreign nations that tortured them.

Letter said that Obama officials approved his argument.

Thus I think I might see where the detainees of gitmo may just end up.....

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss....

Discuss....

EDIT: Per Zarn's request: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7903005.stm
 
There are some really cool Baktrian ruins near Bagram (Alexandria of the Caucasus, aka Kapisa). Be a good excuse to check those out.
 
Okay, how many people really believed that Obama would bring change?
 
Only a socialist RRREvolution can really change AmeriKKKan politics. He's the same as George Bu$$H.
 
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Thus I think I might see where the detainees of gitmo may just end up.....

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss....

Discuss....

well at least the new boss is much more pleasing to listen to. Maybe next time we won't get fooled again.
 
four Afghan citizens being detained at Bagram tried to challenge their detentions


Thus I think I might see where the detainees of gitmo may just end up.....
Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss....
Discuss....

Obama, unlike Bush, has stated that everybody is covered under the Geneva Convention. So right off the bat to say the Obama's and Bush's approach is identical is false.

Afghanistan, by any logical definition, is an active war zone and they are being held in a POW camp in their country of nationality. There is no rendition to a black site in another country or a legal limbo like Gitmo. There is nothing illegal, or even unusual, with POW camps in a war zone.

Well Mobboss hopefully testical cutting and waterboarding are still in cause theres a lot of questions over why the FBI ordered the halting of FCC investigation into fraudently lending practices. Where the hell first $350 Billion dollars bailout money went and why Bush refused to tesify under oath during the 9/11 commission hearings.

EDIT: Also that gay prositutue that was given media pass and access into the white house.
 
Makes sense, no?

Now that President Obama has a bunch of prisoners at Guantanamo who will be out of a prison soon, he realizes he can't change the rules at all of the prisons before he writes his playbook.

Besides, perhaps he needs a place for Guantanamo's prisoners to go and realizes that Afghanistan would work just swell...

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

When I used this line last month, nobody talked about The Who.

:(
 
What the freek!? I thought Obama is going AWAY from the horrids of the Bush Administration!!! :mad: He's supposed to abandoned the Bush Atrocities, not continue them!

At least Obama accepts and wishes to keep in line with the Geneva Convention, unlike Bush.
 
Yyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!
 
What the freek!? I thought Obama is going AWAY from the horrids of the Bush Administration!!! :mad: He's supposed to abandoned the Bush Atrocities, not continue them!

At least Obama accepts and wishes to keep in line with the Geneva Convention, unlike Bush.

Prisoners of war don't tend to get trials until after the war is over. This has been standard practice for many years by most countries around the world.
It was not something started by Bush.

As long as they are treated according to the Geneva Conventions, then it is tolerable (as tolerable as war is).
 
Prisoners of war don't tend to get trials until after the war is over. This has been standard practice for many years by most countries around the world.
It was not something started by Bush.

As long as they are treated according to the Geneva Conventions, then it is tolerable (as tolerable as war is).
Problem is, this "war on terror" is going to take as long as it takes to microchip everyone. They are able to lock you up, and never let you free again without you having any rights whatsoever.

I'm getting such a 1984 feeling from all of today's politics... It's scary.
 
Lying Politician 101?

What the freek!? I thought Obama is going AWAY from the horrids of the Bush Administration!!! :mad: He's supposed to abandoned the Bush Atrocities, not continue them!

At least Obama accepts and wishes to keep in line with the Geneva Convention, unlike Bush.

Welcome back to reality.
 
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