Oh, so the police DO carry arms and they ARE allowed to use guns at their own discretion when the situation demands it? Seems like we were mislead by a largely incorrect OP that didn't include the most cursory research.
Thread moot, time to move on.
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Oh, so the police DO carry arms and they ARE allowed to use guns at their own discretion when the situation demands it? Seems like we were mislead by a largely incorrect OP that didn't include the most cursory research.
Thread moot, time to move on.
Formaldehyde
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They can apparently even arm nearby civilians under their control to help them. I don't think that is permissible in the US under any circumstances.
I think if someone shoots themselves in the foot, they should be disarmed. If that foot is in their mouth, they could do real harm to themselves.
It's quite an egregious mistake.
I'd suggest doing a bare minimum of research on your topic before posting another new thread.
civver_764
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I don't see any problem with the policy. The last thing we need is more trigger-happy cops.
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Wrong-O.
That's how you interpreted it? Really?
If no one in the chain of command is around, they can take their gun... That is not "at their own discretion".
For those of you who have are unsure how an operation like a police force works, there is ALWAYS a supervisor around at the station... Always. It's the same in the military, they assign higher ranking individuals to take "duty" shifts. It would be some incredibly emergency to get the ranking cop out of the station, like a 9/11 type moment, and in those cases, they have radios.
The guns are kept AT THE STATION. Therefore, if you discover you need the gun, you have to make a return trip, then ask for permission (which you can do on the way admittedly).
That is not "at their own discretion".
Get with the program.
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It wasn't egregious because it didn't negate the point of the thread... gun control laws there are still too restrictive, obviously.
I suggest thinking on your own instead of parroting others before posting again.
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Benefactor
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Wikipedia says the guns are kept in the car...
If Norwegian cops are anything like British cops, they basically never get out of the damn patrol car.
How extensively have you studied their gun control laws since the time it was discovered you knew nothing about them?
What part of "they keep them locked down in the patrol cars" in the quoted wiki bit are you not getting here?
classical_hero
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Ignorance is not bliss.
It should also be mentioned that Trond Berntsen was not on duty as a police officer on Utøya. The security work he undertook was on his own time as a private citizen. Whether police officers should be armed on duty does not really pertain to this particular situation.
Norway is heavily armed if you only count guns per capita. It is well worth to remember that how you use them and the attitude towards (gun culture) them in general differ from those prevalent in the states. Buying guns for 'protection' (from say a home invasion) seems alien to me; guns in the hands of private citizens are firmly in the domain of sports & recreation.
Norway is heavily armed if you only count guns per capita. It is well worth to remember that how you use them and the attitude towards (gun culture) them in general differ from those prevalent in the states. Buying guns for 'protection' (from say a home invasion) seems alien to me; guns in the hands of private citizens are firmly in the domain of sports & recreation.
It seems that a certain narrow segment of Norwegians need to learn to control their use of guns so that they can live up to the non-rampaging example set by the Muslim immigrants.
Rather than take this one incident into isolation, which is sort of myopic as well as crass, I think one needs to look at the bigger picture in Norway to see if Norway's way of doing things works for Norway's people. Just because we do things one way does not mean Norway should, for instance. Norway and the US are very, very different places.
A lot of countries do this anyway. IIRC it's the same in UK--most police don't carry a firearm.
A lot of countries do this anyway. IIRC it's the same in UK--most police don't carry a firearm.
I think it may be difficult for Americans to realize that other cultures don't share the same level as violence as America. After all, America has a very high incarceration rate and many are there for crimes against law enforcement.
I find it amazing how you didn't bother to research your OP with even a google search (guns are outright illegal in only a handful of countries, none of which are in Europe). I find it much more amazing that you will repeat falsehoods (all firearms are at the station) when right in this thread it was explained they're in the car.
I don't think it's obvious in any way. The off duty cop there was off duty. He didn't have a firearm, or access to one, because he was off duty. Without the ability to see the future, it seems to be really stupid to bring firearms to a youth camp. It'd be like arming boy scout leaders.
Pretend for a moment the off duty cop did have a gun. What would have happened? Guy dressed as cop walks up, pulls a rifle from a bag and then kills him anyway.
I don't think it's obvious in any way. The off duty cop there was off duty. He didn't have a firearm, or access to one, because he was off duty. Without the ability to see the future, it seems to be really stupid to bring firearms to a youth camp. It'd be like arming boy scout leaders.
Pretend for a moment the off duty cop did have a gun. What would have happened? Guy dressed as cop walks up, pulls a rifle from a bag and then kills him anyway.
warpus
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It's very easy to come up with all sorts of situations, like "you know, if he only had a gun, this would have never happened"
However, it is also easy to imagine yourself swimming in a sea of maple syrup with mermaids and unicorns
However, it is also easy to imagine yourself swimming in a sea of maple syrup with mermaids and unicorns
bestrfcplayer
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Wouldn't it be common sense to have a cop armed at all times???
Formaldehyde
Both Fair And Balanced
Only if he lives in an incredibly dangerous society, which may very well be caused at least to some extent by merely arming all the cops.
“Police Without Guns” – Community Service Officers Come to the Bay Area
Nobody seems to be killing them in the US.
“Police Without Guns” – Community Service Officers Come to the Bay Area
Nobody seems to be killing them in the US.
Wouldn't it be a common sense to stick with things that works?
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