PD of PDMA

[JollyRoger]

If you are talking about additional trolling and flaming of the alleged victim of trolling or flaming for a particular infraction, I see your point and I think that it would merit heavy infractions given the context. If you are talking about trolling and flaming of the person that has been hit with moderation action, that is a bit of the price to be paid to opt in to PDMA. I'd be willing to pay that price.

 

[The_J]

Nobody mentioned anywhere an "opt in", which means everybody would be forced in that situation (unless said otherwise).

 

[JollyRoger]

My post was the 2nd time I used the phrase opt-in in this thread. Why not consider opt-in as the default?

 

[Mise]

FYI, BirdJaguar's list is formatted as an actual list, so apparently the bolding you applied doesn't show up. I think it will work if you just remove the list tags.

The bolding *does* display correctly.

Yeah, it shows up if you bold each individual line, but not if you bold several lines in one block. The bolding in the post is accurate

 

[hobbsyoyo]

The bolding *does* display correctly.

Yeah, it shows up if you bold each individual line, but not if you bold several lines in one block. The bolding in the post is accurate

I swear to mighty Odin when I posted that yesterday there was no bolding at all in that list. Now there is

My post was the 2nd time I used the phrase opt-in in this thread. Why not consider opt-in as the default?

I believe I said it had to be opt-in as well in my tl;dr post.

 

[Tarquelne]

Has the moderator time and effort spent discussing the moderation of Off-Topic exceeded the actual time and effort for moderation of Off-Topic yet?

Is there something I could complain about to make it so?
Something quick, I don't want to devote too much time to this project.

 

[Tee Kay]

Has the moderator time and effort spent discussing the moderation of Off-Topic exceeded the actual time and effort for moderation of Off-Topic yet?

Would it be more than the time and effort spent discussing the discussion of moderation of Off-Topic?

 

[Camikaze]

Has the moderator time and effort spent discussing the moderation of Off-Topic exceeded the actual time and effort for moderation of Off-Topic yet?

Would it be more than the time and effort spent discussing the discussion of moderation of Off-Topic?

Definitely, and probably.

 

[Tsoate]

Thus one could suppose the effort to moderate Off-Topic is not so strenuous as some claim, and in fact not a worthy excuse for not acting on some of the requests currently in SF?

 

[Camikaze]

The OT split did indeed make moderating the OTs noticeably less strenuous, though I'm not sure which particular requests you're talking about, because none of the current ones have anything to do with OT (bar this, which isn't necessarily just about OT).

 

[Tsoate]

I left it ambiguous to see which one you would pick
Could it be suggested it is less strenuous, because traffic has collapsed?

It is also odd you claim "none of the current ones have anything to do with OT" when there is one you must be aware of, you've posted in it twice!

 

[Camikaze]

Lots of things can be suggested, only some of which are true.

And forgot about that one. Probably because it's not a novel thing, a discussion we were going to have in staff anyway.

 

[Tsoate]

Why not discuss it in the open with the rest of us?

 

[Camikaze]

Staff discussions generally take place in staff. We could change that, I suppose. But we'd have to discuss that change. In staff.

 

[Takhisis]

So, you won't discuss anything at all, or take opinions, because a shadow discussion in staff might take place if it is decided?

 

[Gedemon]

So, you won't discuss anything at all, or take opinions, because a shadow discussion in staff might take place if it is decided?

I see 17 pages of opinions here, that are discussed in staff.

 

[Camikaze]

So, you won't discuss anything at all, or take opinions, because a shadow discussion in staff might take place if it is decided?

Where did I say we wouldn't be taking opinions? Quite clearly on both the issue in this thread, and the OT issue, we have, and you're quite welcome to continue to give your opinion (though no-one has continued the discussion in the OT survey thread, as suggested, and no-one has posted anything in the SF thread in 5 days). As for discussion, I don't think I have any questions to ask or posts to answer. There's nothing for me to say in the thread. So my answer above to "why not discuss it in the open" is referring to having the purely staff discussion in the open. The discussion with members is something we've already had, and can continue to have once someone has something to add to it. Currently, I don't, and no-one else has for the last few days either.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Sorry for taking the time to actually think over what I want to say... (not to mention having to spend time on another issue that has taken several days)

Of course the staff takes opinions. But it's debatable as to what they actually do with them (follow up, ask for more information, put up a wall of text in response, completely ignore them, and so on...).

 

[Grisu]

Could it be suggested it is less strenuous, because traffic has collapsed?

how would you know?

IIRC traffic dropped way before the split (I think someone once pulled some stats on that, but might mix something up there). What I do know is that the report rate seemed to drop in OT, but from what I gather that happened way after the split.

So, you won't discuss anything at all, or take opinions, because a shadow discussion in staff might take place if it is decided?

there have been many posts in this threadk, some with interesting suggestions, some with dubious allegations, some with off topic. Most of the first kind have indeed been adressed by a mod in this very thread (mostly by BJ), so I'm not quite sure what more you desire (other than actual action in the direction you wish, of course).

 

[Tsoate]

how would you know?

IIRC traffic dropped way before the split (I think someone once pulled some stats on that, but might mix something up there). What I do know is that the report rate seemed to drop in OT, but from what I gather that happened way after the split.

Are you suggesting traffic isn't less than it was, say, 5 years ago?
If you quickly load OT from long ago, it is very clear there were a lot more posts/threads per day than there are now. That is fact.