[R&F] Poll: which are the last 4 R&F civs?

[Wingednosering]

I've seen it suggested elsewhere that the gladiator fight scene was probably referencing the new 'bread and circuses' loyalty city project.

 

[Siptah]

And the plague is for dark ages, while the fall of the Berlin Wall stands for heroic ones (even if this can be disputed very much in reality).

That said:
Muisca
Ottomans
Karem-Bornu
Assyria

(More new civs...)

 

[Guandao]

And the plague is for dark ages, while the fall of the Berlin Wall stands for heroic ones (even if this can be disputed very much in reality).

That said:
Muisca
Ottomans
Karem-Bornu
Assyria

(More new civs...)

I think you mean Kanem-Bornu.

 

[Siptah]

I think you mean Kanem-Bornu.

I mean spellcheck (that changed it to Karen all the time...)

 

[WillowBrook]

Where are those images of Georgian dress that matches those in the trailer? Could someone link or repost for the doubters in this thread?

I'm not saying it's certainly Georgia in the trailer, but the resemblance is striking. But I'm not combing through the whole R&F General discussion thread to find them.

 

[DeutschDachs]

Do City States ever capture cities? I didn't think so...

They can capture cities that are very close to them. It can be very useful if you're allied with a CS and can let them take the city you're seiging to avoid warmonger penalties!

 

[Quis]

Here is my comparison:

 

[anandus]

Babylon is a new CS. Palenque and Lisbon don‘t rule out their civs 100%, since they might just be not replaced yet. Babylon as a new introduction is definitely out.

Oh, yeah, forgot about that, you're right!

 

[Guandao]

I voted for the Ottomans, Italy, some form of Celts, and Georgia.

I'm not too confident that either an African Civ (Mali, Ethiopia) or the Inca would appear in this expansion. I bet the Netherlands aren't the only European Civ in R&F. There has to be at least another European Civ.

I'm anticipating most of my guesses to turn up wrong.

 

[PhilBowles]

Here is my comparison:

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What's the source for the original photo, and what period are they re-enacting? These seem later-than-medieval uniforms. The resemblance isn't striking so much as 'slightly more than superficial' - there's enough detail to the models to make it unclear why they depart quite so far from the full pattern of the armband or hat design in favour of something more stylised, and the model of the soldier viewed from the front bears no resemblance to the uniform in the photo: the model seems to be plain blue aside from a gold fringe to the (low) neck.

To me that suggests that there's a culture that shared similar uniforms which is more likely - using this to infer Georgia is similar to using Polish uniforms to infer Hungary because the uniforms are similar, as although they're far closer than anything I found in a search for medieval Georgian uniforms they're evidently different enough to represent a different nation.

 

[WillowBrook]

Here is my comparison:

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There was another image of pairs of people in various outfits as well that someone else found.

 

[DWilson]

Are the Ottomans European or Asian?

 

[Guandao]

Are the Ottomans European or Asian?

I would count them as Asian, specifically Western Asian/Middle Eastern.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

What's the source for the original photo, and what period are they re-enacting? These seem later-than-medieval uniforms. The resemblance isn't striking so much as 'slightly more than superficial' - there's enough detail to the models to make it unclear why they depart quite so far from the full pattern of the armband or hat design in favour of something more stylised, and the model of the soldier viewed from the front bears no resemblance to the uniform in the photo: the model seems to be plain blue aside from a gold fringe to the (low) neck.

To me that suggests that there's a culture that shared similar uniforms which is more likely - using this to infer Georgia is similar to using Polish uniforms to infer Hungary because the uniforms are similar, as although they're far closer than anything I found in a search for medieval Georgian uniforms they're evidently different enough to represent a different nation.

They aren't reenacting anything. That's the traditional garment for the Khevsur region inside Georgia. The people still practice martial arts using a broadsword and small buckler (as seem on the two warriors that the Father and Daughter dispatch a few seconds earlier in the trailer). Apparently, the Khevsureti people are extremely tradition-bound. I think Firaxis was going for a simplified version of the modern appearance.

 

[6uho Koe]

I'm still somewhat skeptical of inclusion of Georgia, though I really want to see them in there. However, I noticed this detail that made me more convinced these are based on Georgian soldiers. This soldier's shield appears to be based off of the shield they use in traditional dances. They are very small and I'm not sure they ever used them in battles like that against the Mongols. But it is very likely the costume design, as it with most of the cultures depicted in the game, like eagle said, are modernized and simplified versions of traditional costumes from reenactments, dances, dramas, etc.

 

[PhilBowles]

I'm still somewhat skeptical of inclusion of Georgia, though I really want to see them in there. However, I noticed this detail that made me more convinced these are based on Georgian soldiers. This soldier's shield appears to be based off of the shield they use in traditional dances. They are very small and I'm not sure they ever used them in battles like that against the Mongols. But it is very likely the costume design, as it with most of the cultures depicted in the game, like eagle said, are modernized and simplified versions of traditional costumes from reenactments, dances, dramas, etc.

Bucklers were fairly widely-used in Europe during the Mongol period, so that itself isn't conclusive. I'd like to think Firaxis has better source material to work from than modern folk dances, especially as medieval images of Mongol conflicts against many of their rivals exist.

 

[MaximusPlatypus]

Especially when compared to Armenians who feature prominently throughout history in the middle east. I'm reading some books on the Crusades at the moment, and when they aren't talking about Franks, Turks, and Fatimid's, they are talking about Armenians and Jews. How many countries exist today that, not only existed in Roman times, but also gave as good as they got? It's a very very small club.

I have nothing against Georgia. In fact were we talking rugby, they're my second favorite team; as a rising power who will soon be giving all the Western European rugby nations a good run for their money. But we're not talking rugby.

I was actually a little disappointed when I saw Yerevan as a city-state early on. It took them 5 iterations to get Assyria in; there is definitely a niche for Armenia.

 

[seasnake]

I voted Inca, Georgia (because I think the developers like a good joke), Zulu and Hittite.

 

[Guandao]

I was actually a little disappointed when I saw Yerevan as a city-state early on. It took them 5 iterations to get Assyria in; there is definitely a niche for Armenia.

Yerevan was spotted as a City-State in Rise & Fall videos?

 

[MaximusPlatypus]

Yerevan was spotted as a City-State in Rise & Fall videos?

I haven't followed the development cycle since earlier on; I meant a year ago at release