Conservatives and Jimmy Carter. You'd think the man raped your daughters and wiped himself off with an American flag.
Possible implications of the death of Bin Laden
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Conservatives and Jimmy Carter. You'd think the man raped your daughters and wiped himself off with an American flag.
ParadigmShifter
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Obama is totally going to win another term, and the collective sigh of relief from the rest of the world will be enormous.
Fair enough.
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"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi
MobBoss
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Uhm, I just gave the guy some credit if you didnt notice.
I personally dont think so. He only won by 7 points last time, and that was with the GOP having the GWB albatross hanging around their neck along with the Palin VP travesty.
That means if only 4 out of 100 people had voted for McCain instead, McCain would have won. Thats pretty slim.
Current predictions where Obama is put against legitimate GOP candidates like Romney or Huckabee have Obama losing by a good margin. If the economy and jobs situation doesnt get noticably better by then, I dont think he will be re-elected, even with the feather of getting OBL while in office.
Remember, we got Saddam Hussein while the GOP held the office....I dont think anyone would argue that it helped McCain much.
Virote_Considon
The Great Dictator
Their potential retaliations failing would have a huge impact on group morale and membership. Right now the boot is on their foot to prove to the world that they can work just as effectively without Bin Laden than with. If they can be hampered enough, then in the eyes of many potential members and sympathisers, this would have been disproved, effectively leading to immobilization of Al-Q. Although, of course, it could go the other way, and they could succesfully retaliate, which would prove in the eyes of those potential members and sympathisers that they can in fact opperate just as effectively as they had done with Bin Laden.
How is an offshoot of Shite Islam any worse than the Sunni Wahabism (SP?) promoted by Bin Laden and his cronies?
Though I agree with your overall sentiment, what would it matter if Gandhi would have minded or not? He probably didn't mind the Jim Crowe laws, does that mean they were anything other than wrong?
Holycannoli
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I give him credit for continuing what Bush started even though the majority in the country were against it. For actually getting him? No. He wasn't there, and I highly doubt he came up with the plan to find and capture/kill him.
holy king
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it looked like the us may go down the complete nutcase administration route, so be glad they stay with the usual imperialist pragmatist stuff.
Verbose
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Caveat for not knowing what kind of retaliatory blowback - if any - the al Q representatives, and their supporters, might muster. Maybe none after all?
Other than that, I don't think this can be expected to much influence the prevalence and capabilities of radical Sunni Islamist terrorists.
From the pow Osama bin-L this is obviously not an optimal outcome. That would probably be to remain this kind of elusive shadow, always forcing Americans to look over their shoulders, kind of thing, even if he would do bugger all but hide for the rest of his days. Don't spoil the myth etc.
That said, going down in a hail of bullets is the next best end, as it in no way compromises his status as champion against the US, now successfully martyred. Everyone always knew he had trod on the bald eagles' tail feathers, and there might be repercussions.
The biggest difference this might possibly do is in the US it seems. If America comes out of this deciding that because he's now dead, it's going to think some new thoughts about the situation, that in itself might change a lot of things. Hopefully improving them.
It's probably not going to matter too much to the bulk of the violence Al-Q inspired organisations are subjecting people to, which happens mostly in Muslim countries, to fellow Muslims, anyway. Mobboss metaphor about snake's head etc. I would say completely misses the point of how the al-Q was put together and operates. The US might have taken out nr 1-10 of the top names (well it hasn't has it? the ideologue Zawahiri's still at large, no?), but new names have sprung up, except these weren't involved in 9/11 and never killed many Americans anyway, though that might matter to the US perception of the situation.
The really interesting situation would of course have been of it had been possible to actually nab him, and put him on trial. Osama being asked reasonable questions, in a reasonable voice, about unreasonable things of his would likely have made things difficult even for his supporters.
Other than that, I don't think this can be expected to much influence the prevalence and capabilities of radical Sunni Islamist terrorists.
From the pow Osama bin-L this is obviously not an optimal outcome. That would probably be to remain this kind of elusive shadow, always forcing Americans to look over their shoulders, kind of thing, even if he would do bugger all but hide for the rest of his days. Don't spoil the myth etc.
That said, going down in a hail of bullets is the next best end, as it in no way compromises his status as champion against the US, now successfully martyred. Everyone always knew he had trod on the bald eagles' tail feathers, and there might be repercussions.
The biggest difference this might possibly do is in the US it seems. If America comes out of this deciding that because he's now dead, it's going to think some new thoughts about the situation, that in itself might change a lot of things. Hopefully improving them.
It's probably not going to matter too much to the bulk of the violence Al-Q inspired organisations are subjecting people to, which happens mostly in Muslim countries, to fellow Muslims, anyway. Mobboss metaphor about snake's head etc. I would say completely misses the point of how the al-Q was put together and operates. The US might have taken out nr 1-10 of the top names (well it hasn't has it? the ideologue Zawahiri's still at large, no?), but new names have sprung up, except these weren't involved in 9/11 and never killed many Americans anyway, though that might matter to the US perception of the situation.
The really interesting situation would of course have been of it had been possible to actually nab him, and put him on trial. Osama being asked reasonable questions, in a reasonable voice, about unreasonable things of his would likely have made things difficult even for his supporters.
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Speaking from anti-war standpoint, this is about as non-violent as it gets. The SEALs could still have tried to disarm him and keep him alive, but for a situation like that, that was the best outcome.
I think there are a lot of people around the world who have suffered or lost loved ones as a result of western actions in their countries who will be watching the videos of those cheering Americans and wondering why Americans are so happy about the deaths of so many innocent people. And they're going to be angry.
Much the same as when ordinary Americans assumed that the people cheering after 9/11 were happy about the civilian deaths, rather than the wounding of a hostile country or the destruction of a symbol of imperialism.
Much the same as when ordinary Americans assumed that the people cheering after 9/11 were happy about the civilian deaths, rather than the wounding of a hostile country or the destruction of a symbol of imperialism.
BasketCase
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Not at all. Here it is: congratulations to Obama for continuing the work of President Bush. Obama's making a very good Republican right now.
Cue howls of rage from dozens of angry CFC'ers. Hold onto that for a minute, guys, I've got worse on the way for you.
To me, the most serious political implications of Osama bin Laden's death lie right here on CFC. When Saddam Hussein was captured, there were certainly a lot of posts from you guys along the lines of "yay, we got him!"--but there were also a huge number of accusations, bordering on paranoid conspiracy theory, against President Bush: how long did Bush hold back on it, did Bush delay the capture until a politically opportune moment, etc etc.
Those people are suddenly silent now. We're not seeing any of those accusations levelled against President Obama for using Osama's death politically. And the people who complained about George Bush's prosecution of the War on Terror should be lambasting Obama just as loudly right now, because he's doing the same thing Bush was.
Each of you guys who torched Bush for these things, but not Obama, is a hypocrite.
CFC is chock full of stereotypical political sheep who simply can't give a Republican a dime of credit on anything. Four legs good, two legs bad. Republicans can do no right in their book. As Elta said in another thread, CFC is above-average in caliber. But that merely means there's no excuse. Everybody on this board should know better.
I think you'll have difficulty finding anyone on CFC who fulfills these criteria, given the enormous poster turnover since 2003.
Plus Saddam's capture was
Nobody is cheering the deaths of innocent people...there wasn't anybody innocent picked up during yesterday's operation. Nobody was cheering when a predator drone accidentally blows up a wedding party.
I know that, but that's not the way it's going to look in some parts of the world. Just like people in the middle east weren't cheering because civilians were killed on 9/11, but a lot of people in the west assumed that's what they were doing.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Nope...there still plenty to go around. Just read some of the other OBL threads ongoing at the moment and you see 'em.
I should clarify: I meant it will be difficult to find people who posted against the timing of Saddam's capture back in 2003 who are not doing the same for Obama simply because there are not that many people posting now who were here in 2003. Not an important point by any means.
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