(Post) Launch DLC schedule

[pokiehl]

The Civ 6 deluxe edition was sold as giving access to 4 DLCs, later extended to 6.

The Civ 7 Founders Edition gives 12 plus other content.

Not sure why anyone expects them to be priced the same. You’re getting more than double the content. It also makes great sense that they need to put out more content vis-a-vis Civ 6 because there are 3 ages to contend with.

 

[smvalentine]

The Civ 6 deluxe edition was sold as giving access to 4 DLCs, later extended to 6.

The Civ 7 Founders Edition gives 12 plus other content.

Not sure why anyone expects them to be priced the same. You’re getting more than double the content.

Because it sounds like there isn't as much in each "pack" as there was in Civ VI. Each whole "collection" of 7 "packs" is 2 leaders, 4 civs (and corresponding wonders. Unless there's a typo and it's really 2 leaders and 4 civs/wonders per pack x 7.

 

[TheGrayFox]

The Civ 6 deluxe edition was sold as giving access to 4 DLCs, later extended to 6.

The Civ 7 Founders Edition gives 12 plus other content.

Not sure why anyone expects them to be priced the same. You’re getting more than double the content.

This isn't a fair comparison at all because VII seems to simply be selling all its individual pieces of DLC seperately. while VI's DLC packaged civs together, included leaders, wonders and natural wonders and scenarios with them

VI's deluxe edition gave us 7 leaders and 7 civs (that you play the entire game), along with 5 natural wonders, 4 world wonders, 6 scenarios, and 6 city-states.

VII's founder edition is giving us 4 leaders, 8 civs (with civs being locked to era), 4 wonders, 4 natural wonders, and cosmetics for $40 more.

 

[Linklite]

Have they said yet how many leaders/civs are included in the base game?
I don't see it on the official web site or Steam.

CiV had 18?
Civ VI had 19/18 (not counting Aztec that everyone got free after 3 months).

To match that, VII base will need to have 18+ leaders and 54+(!) civs (18+ for each of 3 ages).

The 4 DLC promised in the Civ VI Deluxe gave us 4 leaders and 4 civs (that lasted the whole 8 eras), plus. They wound up delivering 2 extra DLC for that price bringing the total to 7 leaders and 7 civs, along with 5 natural wonders, 4 world wonders, 6 scenarios, and 6 city-states.

With that in mind, the DLC "collections" seem light at only 2 leaders and 4 civs each, plus 4 wonders and other fluff.

To make that comparison, you're expected to go through three civs to play a game, so really you should divide Civ7s number by three...which gives you 18, comparable to the other games you mentioned (going by your numbers).

 

[timmychompchomp]

I am always amused by video game price discussions. Video games have amazing prices in relation to their return on investment.

 

[Kev1916]

I am always amused by video game price discussions. Video games have amazing prices in relation to their return on investment.

Your correct some post's more amusing than others

If you play a game out with the two hour refund limited and are not enjoying it .. im sure that's not a amazing return on the investment.
Some companies offer a pretty decent "investment" Firaxis/2K have imho over stepped the mark

 

[Zaarin]

Firaxis/2K have imho over stepped the mark

You are not obligated to buy the more expensive additions; the base game will be a fully playable experience. $70 for a AAA game has been standard for well over a year now. Most of us will put hundreds or thousands of hours into the game. That's pennies or fractions of a penny per hour even for the founder's edition. I'd say that's a pretty good return on investment.

 

[Atlas627]

I don‘t think that Napoleon is in this list. He can‘t be bought. The 4 personas are probably from the deluxe and founders editions (2 each).

DLC means Downloadable Content, and Tecumseh is part of that in the schedule. I don't see why Napoleon wouldn't also be Downloadable Content, and released on Day 1.

the 4 leader personas are paid deluxe and founder edition bonuses. not preorder bonuses like the Shawnee/Tecumseh and we do know what the Crossroads of the World pack will include, just not specifically. The content is 4 new civilizations, 2 new leaders, 4 new natural wonders, and a cosmetic bonus. So most of the paid DLC content is gameplay related and not superfulous cosmetics.

Again DLC itself isn't a bad thing and should quite expected these days but I won't lie and say 14 pieces of seperate of mostly gameplay related DLC within months of release and the seemingly exhurberant pricing isn't worrying (remember the founders edition of VII is literally $40 more than the deluxe edition of VI, which gave access to 6 dlc packs over half a year)

4 new Civs and 2 new Leaders are gameplay related, sure. 4 Natural Wonders are borderline: not everyone cares about them.

I don't understand where all the concern over DLC pricing is coming from. Who knows what these will be priced at? Each separate piece could cost $2 for all we know (though I doubt that, since the Deluxe/Founder's edition should be a discount. But the point stands that selling them as separate things doesn't mean you pay more money. Sometimes it means you pay much less because you aren't forced to buy anything you don't want).

 

[Kev1916]

You are not obligated to buy the more expensive additions; the base game will be a fully playable experience. $70 for a AAA game has been standard for well over a year now. Most of us will put hundreds or thousands of hours into the game. That's pennies or fractions of a penny per hour even for the founder's edition. I'd say that's a pretty good return on investment.

Yea the rest of the community and me can buy if we want no great unknown facts they're, & many will put hundreds of hour in

As for standard's IMHO bringing out games with an early launch date for (loyal) sorry those that are willing to pay for it is one o the reasons I think it's over the mark my opinion , you can buy what ever version you can and hopefully you get a great investment.

Many "AAA" games also dont come out DLC heavy on launch, many studio's dont charge so much for a base version, many AAA games come out with a pre-order bonus to the base version ie a cost reduction! , many AAA games dont lock new game features out of the base game.
Have the system's requirements been announced?, Have 2K announced the price of DLC's , Have they clarified if "2 new leaders, 4 new civilizations, 4 new wonders" which are not in the base game made available at a later date ?

 

[ezzlar]

I dont really mind DLC. I am having fun with most of my Stellaris DLC. What concerns me is that even the great need of improving Civ 6 mechanics most of the crowd, even on Civfanatics, were more interested in new civs or leaders.

And that seems to be a lot of the focus initially, a reasonable approach by the publisher to meet consumer needs. But most of the Stellaris DLC usually contains a lot more than only new races, which I prefer.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

DLC means Downloadable Content, and Tecumseh is part of that in the schedule. I don't see why Napoleon wouldn't also be Downloadable Content, and released on Day 1.

Napoleon is free and available on Day 1 as long as you have a 2K account and link it to Civ 7.

 

[TheGrayFox]

4 new Civs and 2 new Leaders are gameplay related, sure. 4 Natural Wonders are borderline: not everyone cares about them.

Natural wonders are undeniably gameplay related regardless of whether someone may subjectively care about them or not. They give bonuses in game if you settle near them with some of the bonuses being exceptionally powerful/unique (looking at V's fountain of youth)

You can say that map scripts I dismissed earlier are also gameplay related (and you'd be right) but then I'd point out that in the case of mapscripts, most players simply use the standard continents, pangea scripts and the ones playing more customized/modded scripts simply don't use the ones in this mappack. Where as natural wonders can be found in every game of Civ by defualt.

I don't understand where all the concern over DLC pricing is coming from. Who knows what these will be priced at? Each separate piece could cost $2 for all we know (though I doubt that, since the Deluxe/Founder's edition should be a discount. But the point stands that selling them as separate things doesn't mean you pay more money. Sometimes it means you pay much less because you aren't forced to buy anything you don't want).

Well if we're using the cost of the Deluxe and Founders editions of VII as a basis comparing it to VI's deluxe edition, you're getting compartively and arguably less DLC for $40 more. So unless the prices of these editions are being inflated because of early access, it stands to reason that most individual pieces of DLC and packs are going to be comparitively more expensive than we're used to.

 

[Kwami]

Napoleon is free and available on Day 1 as long as you have a 2K account and link it to Civ 7.

Yes, but is Napoleon a separate "package"? In other words, would it be on the DLC list, even if it's free?

 

[Nikolai II]

Napoleon is free and available on Day 1 as long as you have a 2K account and link it to Civ 7.

It's free DLC, but still DLC though.

 

[timmychompchomp]

Your correct some post's more amusing than others

If you play a game out with the two hour refund limited and are not enjoying it .. im sure that's not a amazing return on the investment.
Some companies offer a pretty decent "investment" Firaxis/2K have imho over stepped the mark

I live in a high cost of living state in the US. I went to lunch with family yesterday and I spent more than this game will cost. I don’t say that to brag, I say it for two reasons.

First: I am amused by Americans who complain. Very few of us would have a problem with spend this much for dinner with the family. So, Americans who get dramatic about it get an eyeroll.

Second: I say it for perspective. With exchange rates and our American and most of European privilege we should be aware that the price point could be disappointing. I need to remember that as well.

 

[Kev1916]

I live in a high cost of living state in the US. I went to lunch with family yesterday and I spent more than this game will cost. I don’t say that to brag, I say it for two reasons.

First: I am amused by Americans who complain. Very few of us would have a problem with spend this much for dinner with the family. So, Americans who get dramatic about it get an eyeroll.

Second: I say it for perspective. With exchange rates and our American and most of European privilege we should be aware that the price point could be disappointing. I need to remember that as well.

A an American make's sense glad your amused and enjoyed your feast , you enjoy your night.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Yes, but is Napoleon a separate "package"? In other words, would it be on the DLC list, even if it's free?

It's free DLC, but still DLC though.

Yes, but I was reiterating that he isn't on the release schedule, like all the other leaders.
I mean Julius Caesar wasn't officially listed on the LP, either.

 

[Atlas627]

Napoleon is free and available on Day 1 as long as you have a 2K account and link it to Civ 7.

Right, which is Downloadable Content. The post you quoted was literally explaining that even though it isn't paid, it's still Downloadable Content.

Natural wonders are undeniably gameplay related regardless of whether someone may subjectively care about them or not. They give bonuses in game if you settle near them with some of the bonuses being exceptionally powerful/unique (looking at V's fountain of youth)

You can say that map scripts I dismissed earlier are also gameplay related (and you'd be right) but then I'd point out that in the case of mapscripts, most players simply use the standard continents, pangea scripts and the ones playing more customized/modded scripts simply don't use the ones in this mappack. Where as natural wonders can be found in every game of Civ by defualt.



Well if we're using the cost of the Deluxe and Founders editions of VII as a basis comparing it to VI's deluxe edition, you're getting compartively and arguably less DLC for $40 more. So unless the prices of these editions are being inflated because of early access, it stands to reason that most individual pieces of DLC and packs are going to be comparitively more expensive than we're used to.

I think we're splitting hairs as to what we call "gameplay related", so I won't bother arguing here. The fact that many people will just not care points to how important they are to gameplay.

Anyway, yes I expect the DLC to be somewhat pricey. The Deluxe/Founder's edition needs to be a discount on that. However, DLC, like everything else, goes on sale. If you really hate the price point that much you can buy it later and enjoy the very-well-fleshed-out game we have in the meantime.

Yes, but I was reiterating that he isn't on the release schedule, like all the other leaders.
I mean Julius Caesar wasn't officially listed on the LP, either.

That's because Julius Caesar wasn't part of the Leader Pass. Remember, this is the release schedule as told to Nintendo by Firaxis. Nintendo needs to put Downloadable Content on its site, so Napoleon may actually count for that to them.

 

[Siptah]

Yes, but is Napoleon a separate "package"? In other words, would it be on the DLC list, even if it's free?

Right, which is Downloadable Content. The post you quoted was literally explaining that even though it isn't paid, it's still Downloadable Content.

I think we're splitting hairs as to what we call "gameplay related", so I won't bother arguing here. The fact that many people will just not care points to how important they are to gameplay.

Anyway, yes I expect the DLC to be somewhat pricey. The Deluxe/Founder's edition needs to be a discount on that. However, DLC, like everything else, goes on sale. If you really hate the price point that much you can buy it later and enjoy the very-well-fleshed-out game we have in the meantime.


That's because Julius Caesar wasn't part of the Leader Pass. Remember, this is the release schedule as told to Nintendo by Firaxis. Nintendo needs to put Downloadable Content on its site, so Napoleon may actually count for that to them.

But why would Nintendo list Napoleon in its store? You cannot get it from there. Sure, distribution will be as a downloadable content via Nintendo. But if you cannot interact with it in Nintendos Store in a meaningful way, what’s the purpose of listing it? Besides, if he was listed, we would be missing two leaders.

 

[Atlas627]

But why would Nintendo list Napoleon in its store? You cannot get it from there. Sure, distribution will be as a downloadable content via Nintendo. But if you cannot interact with it in Nintendos Store in a meaningful way, what’s the purpose of listing it? Besides, if he was listed, we would be missing two leaders.

Using the Nintendo eShop, even for free DLC, is how you download things onto the Switch. It just lists the thing as free when you actually go to its Store page. You'd link your Nintendo Account to your 2k Account via their websites, I assume, for the DLC to actually work or be downloaded, idk how that part might work.