Post-pandemic changes

Break room at work reorganized by removing some tables so all tables are 4-6 feet away from each other.

Still huddle around the time clock when we only have a 2 minute window to punch in.

Hate those things.

A late train rolled through off schedule one night for the shift I was on, like 12 people got caught by it. All wound up in the parking lot badging into the building at the same time. Hoofed it to the time clock and had a small line that moved pretty fast. First 11 punched at got the "less than .1 of an hour late" ding which would fall off over time if not repeated. The 12th guy who walked up at the same time punched and it had just ticked into 6 minutes, so he got the "your attendence record has been docked with a half day unexcused absence, you may continue to get paid for a 7.9 hour work day." He looked at the foreman and mentioned he was in line with everyone else, could he fix it. Foreman said, "no." He turned on his heel and marched out of the building for the night. I don't think even the foreman blamed him. HR was ****y at that place.
 
Hate those things.

A late train rolled through off schedule one night for the shift I was on, like 12 people got caught by it. All wound up in the parking lot badging into the building at the same time. Hoofed it to the time clock and had a small line that moved pretty fast. First 11 punched at got the "less than .1 of an hour late" ding which would fall off over time if not repeated. The 12th guy who walked up at the same time punched and it had just ticked into 6 minutes, so he got the "your attendence record has been docked with a half day unexcused absence, you may continue to get paid for a 7.9 hour work day." He looked at the foreman and mentioned he was in line with everyone else, could he fix it. Foreman said, "no." He turned on his heel and marched out of the building for the night. I don't think even the foreman blamed him. HR was ****y at that place.

That's what you get if you are not organised with decent workers councils or trade unions (assuming that the US is not likely to make laws on such issues)
 
The big thing is whether emergency measures i.e. power grabs by governments are going to be rolled back after the crisis is over. Mandatory installation of tracking apps in South Korea is already a bad mixture of Bradbury and Orwell for me.
 
The big thing is whether emergency measures i.e. power grabs by governments are going to be rolled back after the crisis is over. Mandatory installation of tracking apps in South Korea is already a bad mixture of Bradbury and Orwell for me.
They won't without a huge public push. We still have the entirety of the post-9/11 security apparatus, plus two decades of new additions to it.
 
They won't without a huge public push. We still have the entirety of the post-9/11 security apparatus, plus two decades of new additions to it.

I can't think of a case where power voluntarily receded. Even now, the most recent push to remove some wiretapping came about seemingly because some congresscritters realized that it could be used on them.
 
The big thing is whether emergency measures i.e. power grabs by governments are going to be rolled back after the crisis is over. Mandatory installation of tracking apps in South Korea is already a bad mixture of Bradbury and Orwell for me.


Independent of the current crisis, Republicans have been moving to maximize government subversion of privacy.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/earn-it-act-violates-constitution

The EARN IT Act Violates the Constitution
By Sophia Cope, Aaron Mackey, and Andrew Crocker
March 31, 2020


Since senators introduced the EARN IT Act (S. 3398) in early March, EFF has called attention to the many ways in which the bill would be a disaster for Internet users’ free speech and security.

We’ve explained how the EARN IT Act could be used to drastically undermine encryption. Although the bill doesn’t use the word “encryption” in its text, it gives government officials like Attorney General William Barr the power to compel online service providers to break encryption or be exposed to potentially crushing legal liability.

The bill also violates the Constitution’s protections for free speech and privacy. As Congress considers the EARN IT Act—which would require online platforms to comply with to-be-determined “best practices” in order to preserve certain protections from criminal and civil liability for user-generated content under Section 230 (47 U.S.C. § 230)—it’s important to highlight the bill’s First and Fourth Amendment problems.

First Amendment
As we explained in a letter to Congress, the EARN IT Act violates the First Amendment in several ways.

1. The bill’s broad categories of “best practices” for online service providers amount to an impermissible regulation of editorial activity protected by the First Amendment.

The bill’s stated purpose is “to prevent, reduce, and respond to the online sexual exploitation of children.” However, it doesn’t directly target child sexual abuse material (CSAM, also referred to as child pornography) or child sex trafficking ads. (CSAM is universally condemned, and there is a broad framework of existing laws that seek to eradicate it, as we explain in the Fourth Amendment section below).

Instead, the bill would allow the government to go much further and regulate how online service providers operate their platforms and manage user-generated content—the very definition of editorial activity in the Internet age. Just as Congress cannot pass a law demanding news media cover specific stories or present the news a certain way, it similarly cannot direct how and whether online platforms host user-generated content.

2. The EARN IT Act’s selective removal of Section 230 immunity creates an unconstitutional condition.

Congress created Section 230 and, therefore, has wide authority to modify or repeal the law without violating the First Amendment (though as a policy matter, we don’t support that). However, the Supreme Court has said that the government may not condition the granting of a governmental privilege on individuals or entities doing things that amount to a violation of their First Amendment rights.

Thus, Congress may not selectively grant Section 230 immunity only to online platforms that comply with “best practices” that interfere with their First Amendment right to make editorial choices regarding their hosting of user-generated content.

3. The EARN IT Act fails strict scrutiny.

The bill seeks to hold online service providers responsible for a particular type of content and the choices they make regarding user-generated content, and so it must satisfy the strictest form of judicial scrutiny.

Although the content the EARN IT Act seeks to regulate is abhorrent and the government’s interest in stopping the creation and distribution of that content is compelling, the First Amendment still requires that the law be narrowly tailored to address those weighty concerns. Yet, given the bill’s broad scope, it will inevitably force online platforms to censor the constitutionally protected speech of their users.

Fourth Amendment
The EARN IT Act violates the Fourth Amendment by turning online platforms into government actors that search users’ accounts without a warrant based on probable cause.

The bill states, “Nothing in this Act or the amendments made by this Act shall be construed to require a provider of an interactive computer service to search, screen, or scan for instances of online child sexual exploitation.” Nevertheless, given the bill’s stated goal to, among other things, “prevent” online child sexual exploitation, it’s likely that the “best practices” will effectively coerce online platforms into proactively scanning users’ accounts for content such as CSAM or child sex trafficking ads.

Contrast this with what happens today: if an online service provider obtains actual knowledge of an apparent or imminent violation of anti-child pornography laws, it’s required to make a report to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children’s (NCMEC) CyberTipline. NCMEC then forwards actionable reports to the appropriate law enforcement agencies.

Under this current statutory scheme, an influential decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit, written by then-Judge Neil Gorsuch, held that NCMEC is not simply an agent of the government, it is a government entity established by act of Congress with unique powers and duties that are granted only to the government.

On the other hand, courts have largely rejected arguments that online service providers are agents of the government in this context. That’s because the government argues that companies voluntarily scan their own networks for private purposes, namely to ensure that their services stay safe for all users. Thus, courts typically rule that these scans are considered “private searches” that are not subject to the Fourth Amendment’s warrant requirement. Under this doctrine, NCMEC and law enforcement agencies also do not need a warrant to view users’ account content already searched by the companies.

However, the EARN IT Act’s “best practices” may effectively coerce online platforms into proactively scanning users’ accounts in order to keep the companies’ legal immunity under Section 230. Not only would this result in invasive scans that risk violating all users’ privacy and security, companies would arguably become government agents subject to the Fourth Amendment. In analogous cases, courts have found private parties to be government agents when the “government knew of and acquiesced in the intrusive conduct” and “the party performing the search intended to assist law enforcement efforts or to further his own ends.”

Thus, to the extent that online service providers scan users’ accounts to comply with the EARN IT Act, and do so without a probable cause warrant, defendants would have a much stronger argument that these scans violate the Fourth Amendment. Given Congress’ goal of protecting children from online sexual exploitation, it should not risk the suppression of evidence by effectively coercing companies to scan their networks.

Next Steps
Presently, the EARN IT Act has been introduced in the Senate and assigned to the Senate Judiciary Committee, which held a hearing on March 11. The next step is for the committee to consider amendments during a markup proceeding (though given the current state of affairs it’s unclear when that will be). We urge you to contact your members of Congress and ask them to reject the bill.


Basically, in order to impose a police state, they have to abandon national security. And let the Russians and Chinese have full access to American communications so that the American government can have full access to American communications.
 
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I wonder if remote work will become entrenched after this. Not that all jobs will switch to it, maybe not even the majority of office jobs will switch to it, but enough will that a bunch of office buildings are going to be abandoned. Maybe enough of them will be abandoned that they'll be able to re-purpose them for housing, which in turn might finally help the housing crisis out.
 
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I wonder if remote work will become entrenched after this. Not that all jobs will switch to it, maybe not even the majority of office jobs will switch to it, but enough will that a bunch of office buildings are going to be abandoned. Maybe enough of them will be abandoned that they'll be able to re-purpose them for housing, which in turn might finally help the housing crisis out.

Housing crisis here might take care if itself.

1. House prices are projected to fall.

2. Airbnb market has collapsed.

3. Heap of foreigners left

4. Government was paying motels to house people. Lots of empty motels now.

5. Construction is going to fall over. They're talking about an infrastructure/housing rebuild.
 
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Housing crisis here might take care if itself.

1. House prices are projected to fall.

2. Airbnb market has collapsed.

3. Heap of foreigners left

4. Government was paying motels tohouse people. Lots of empty motels now.

5. Construction is going to fall over. They're talking about an infrastructure/housing rebuild.
The many small companies that own several or more houses just for Airbnb use may collapse. If they have to put all those houses on the market, it should lower prices in lots of places. Paying off 10 mortgages without any income can be a challenge.
 
The many small companies that own several or more houses just for Airbnb use may collapse. If they have to put all those houses on the market, it should lower prices in lots of places. Paying off 10 mortgages without any income can be a challenge.

Most here seem to be mom and pop type deals.

In theory rent prices gonna go down. Landlords will have a choice of reduced rents his welfare or no rent if they start kicking people out which is essentially illegal atm.
 
Most here seem to be mom and pop type deals.

In theory rent prices gonna go down. Landlords will have a choice of reduced rents his welfare or no rent if they start kicking people out which is essentially illegal atm.
Pricing isn't the problem. The current problem is no demand. A zero $ price will not induce me to rent an Airbnb in NM, NZ, or anywhere else at the moment. Once travel begins again (who knows when) then prices might get people to choose A over B. For now Airbnb renters are pretty much SOL. Landlords with long term renters (annual leases) are in a different situation.
 
Pricing isn't the problem. The current problem is no demand. A zero $ price will not induce me to rent an Airbnb in NM, NZ, or anywhere else at the moment. Once travel begins again (who knows when) then prices might get people to choose A over B. For now Airbnb renters are pretty much SOL. Landlords with long term renters (annual leases) are in a different situation.

The Airbnb properties are entering the rental market.

One hostel has 30 tourists stranded there. The owners doing free rent but has a list of rules to follow around isolating.

Some were *****ing about it being legal but they're essentially house guests. His house his rules.
 
The Airbnb properties are entering the rental market.

One hostel has 30 tourists stranded there. The owners doing free rent but has a list of rules to follow around isolating.

Some were *****ing about it being legal but they're essentially house guests. His house his rules.
If Airbnb owners are changing to long term landlords, than that is a whole different business and business model. Its dynamics are completely different. Now in the case of those 30 stranded guests, I would ask, who is requiring them to stay? Those are the people who should be paying the rent. 30 folks in one house seems pretty over crowded. The rules question is one for attorneys and probably tied to whether or not there are State mandated rules or just guidelines. At what point does a landlord restraining his tenants become kidnapping? A bit of a sticky wicket.
 
If Airbnb owners are changing to long term landlords, than that is a whole different business and business model. Its dynamics are completely different. Now in the case of those 30 stranded guests, I would ask, who is requiring them to stay? Those are the people who should be paying the rent. 30 folks in one house seems pretty over crowded. The rules question is one for attorneys and probably tied to whether or not there are State mandated rules or just guidelines. At what point does a landlord restraining his tenants become kidnapping? A bit of a sticky wicket.

Some of those hostels are fairly large.

They're allowed to leave but he added a sign out book and they're only supposed to go to the supermarket.

He can lick them out, everything's out and the police can pick them up and report or quarentine them.

He's basically drumming in that the holiday is over.

He's provided a place to self isolate. Young tourists have been a problem as they still want to do tourist stuff.
 
Some of those hostels are fairly large.

They're allowed to leave but he added a sign out book and they're only supposed to go to the supermarket.

He can lick them out, everything's out and the police can pick them up and report or quarentine them.

He's basically drumming in that the holiday is over.

He's provided a place to self isolate. Young tourists have been a problem as they still want to do tourist stuff.
A hostel is not an Airbnb rental. It is essential a cheap hotel. If the space is dorm-like and not individual rooms, then the owner can have rules to protect the safety of the group. Their comings and goings though would only be subject to the local/state laws currently in effect.
 
A hostel is not an Airbnb rental. It is essential a cheap hotel. If the space is dorm-like and not individual rooms, then the owner can have rules to protect the safety of the group. Their comings and goings though would only be subject to the local/state laws currently in effect.

They don't legally have to obey his rules. Legally he doesn't have to give them a place to live.

So they can isolate in the bubble, use the facilities (they often have a pool etc) and have company or they can get booted out picked up by the police and dragged off to a nice boring quarantine facility which is either a naval Base or hotel the government has hired.

If you don't want to do that they can take their chances in the local prison population.

There's nothing open and nowhere to hire. Camping grounds are closed along with the free campsites. They don't want tourists camping out with no facilities.
 
I gotta say, with tourism being a major industry in New Zealand I'm surprised they haven't found a way to keep Zardnaar off of the internet.
 
They don't legally have to obey his rules. Legally he doesn't have to give them a place to live.

So they can isolate in the bubble, use the facilities (they often have a pool etc) and have company or they can get booted out picked up by the police and dragged off to a nice boring quarantine facility which is either a naval Base or hotel the government has hired.

If you don't want to do that they can take their chances in the local prison population.

There's nothing open and nowhere to hire. Camping grounds are closed along with the free campsites. They don't want tourists camping out with no facilities.

When I went to an arts festivel in Galway I stayed in a hostel because of cost.
All the young travellers seemed to spend all day in their bunks playing cards until it was time to hit the night spots.
 
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