GhostWriter16
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You want the nanny state to criminalize the intimate relations between spouses?
I never suggested crime, and its clear that wasn't what I meant.
Prostitution: should it be legal or not?
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I never suggested crime, and its clear that wasn't what I meant.
Electronic monitoring has worked out pretty well in a lot of cases.
Murder isn't a crime? I mean, if there is a risk of death due to intimate relations between spouses, perhaps we should require both parties to wear chastity devices that can only be unlocked by government officials when the parties check into a government procreation facility.
It's to preserve families.
Tani Coyote
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Ever since Portugal(which I'm told is the most liberal state in Europe on hard drugs) decriminalised personal use of cocaine, violent crime there has gone down. If we decriminalise trafficking and production, it could go down even more, since now there's only a threat of fines(who cares; you can just sell more drugs to pay them off!) instead of jail time.
The fact is, barring extremes like rape and murder(which are non-consensual), it's generally better to legalise or decriminalise than fight a failed Prohibition.
But hell, no police want a society where victimless crimes are a thing of the past. Gotta get that subsidy!
It's not victimless if the women are abused, coerced, or otherwise forced into the role. Owning cocaine may be less of a crime than the violence caused by it being illegal, but legality of prostitution won't do away with human trafficking. And unlike drugs, decriminalizing human trafficking is the last thing we want to do.
Tani Coyote
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I never said it wasn't.
Human trafficking involves coercion and lack of consent. That is against the outline of negative liberty presented.
Every consensual activity should be legal. Every non-consensual one, not so much.
Willingly would be the key word. I have yet to meet anyone who aspire to become a whore or a junkie.
I think in this case the sacrifice of making consensual prostitution illegal is worth it if it decreases human trafficking.I never said it wasn't.
Human trafficking involves coercion and lack of consent. That is against the outline of negative liberty presented.
Every consensual activity should be legal. Every non-consensual one, not so much.
Just as I think that banning guns is worth it if it decreases murder.
Disgustipated
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I don't buy that argument. No one aspires to work at McDonald's either, but it happens. Not aspiring to a certain job doesn't make it wrong. Most prostitutes at places I've been to in Nevada are fine with their jobs. They don't go bragging about it of course because of the social stigma associated with that profession.
And for the record, I didn't aspire to work the job I'm currently working in either. If you told me when I was a kid this is what I'd be doing the rest of my life, I wouldn't have liked to hear that.
I would need evidence making it illegal decreases trafficking. I'm certain in my mind it doesn't. It makes trafficking 100 times worse. I would agree to make it illegal if what you said was true.
What about banning knives, for the same reason?
You don't go out much, do you?
holy king
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do you spend a lot of time amongst whores and junkies?
I've seen all kinds of people.
But generally I much prefer whores to junkies.
I mean, just listen to Charlie Sheen.
holy king
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hey, i wont judge you on the crowd you keep.
so your friends tell you they at some point decided to "hey, i'm gonna become a whore/junkie?
so your friends tell you they at some point decided to "hey, i'm gonna become a whore/junkie?
People don't decide "I'm gonna become a junkie". They decide "I'm just gonna try that heroin stuff". A conscious decision either way.
With prostitution, it can be significantly more straightforward.
How about 'well it's alright, I probably would have anyway and I need the money, and besides it's only this once'?
holy king
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nah, those people consciously choose their way of life, yeekim knows a lot of them.
Knives have so many vital uses that the murder rate better be non-existant from banning them in order to seriously consider it. Guns, particularly handguns, are only good for recreation.
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