Prove God Exists - Version II!

[Aphex_Twin]

Can god create a rock too big for him to lift?
There are two answers I can see to this question:
-This sentance is flawed, because it misuses language to express and impossible thing (there is no such thing as a rock that god can't lift, and there cannot be.)
-Yes, he can. He is so omnipotent that he can even create a rock that simply by existing could detract from his omnipotency.
Also, there is always the question of where such a rock could be created, since god is obviously strong enough to move a planet, you would have to find a pretty serious gravity well to create this colossal stone nearby, for it to prove any kind of challenge for the supreme deity.

Actually, that sentence would be equivalent to the following mathematical expressions:

infinity - infinity
1^infinity
0/0
and so on

They have no answer.

 

[Jawz II]

i think the question is meant to make it easier for people to understand there is no such thing as infinty,only in theory

everything that starts somewhere also ends somewhere

 

[Birdjaguar]

To paraphrase: "Can god limit his power?" I think only christians & jews raise this issue. Where are all the CFC hindus and buddhists? Come on in, the water's great. (It hasn't started to boil!)

 

[Revolutionary]

Actually, that sentence would be equivalent to the following mathematical expressions:

infinity - infinity
1^infinity
0/0
and so on

They have no answer.

aaah but 1^infinity mean 1 to the power of infinity, and as most know 1 to the power of anything will always be 1

but then again infinity might prove an exception

also another example would be infinity/0

 

[Jawz II]

i didnt think the rock question could be made simpler,i was wrong

"can god limit his power?" is even simpler

i used to have debates with religious people and i tried to prove them wrong with logic,not just to be a bastard,but to answer questions i would ask myself,i cant disregad logic,other people might be able to,i am not

anyways it always came down to them yelling at me things like you have to open up your heart to jesus or you will burn in hell!

that tought me plenty about religions

 

[Aphex_Twin]

aaah but 1^infinity mean 1 to the power of infinity, and as most know 1 to the power of anything will always be 1

but then again infinity might prove an exception

also another example would be infinity/0

1^infinity is non-determined

everything to the power infinity is infinity, but also one to every power is one -> paradox

 

[Revolutionary]

1^infinity is non-determined

everything to the power infinity is infinity, but also one to every power is one -> paradox

yep undetermined

and yes paradox thats why I used this smiley

 

[Revolutionary]

Anyway, if you stop at atheism, it seems to me you have developed a dogma. You believe you have found Truth so you stop seeking any further. In a way, I think that is as ridiculous as any of the organized faiths.

that is not true if you stop at atheism you simply stop trying to find the "truth"

this is very different from believing you have found the "truth"

it is simply the acceptance of your ignorance, there is no dogma to it

 

[Inter4]

It is very simple.

You wish to be left alone to do whatever.
I assume if you allow other people to do whatever they wish too;

- Then there is no problem from the premise of this thread.

I am only aiming the proof demand at those who wish to dictate morals.

Of course there is no problem.

 

[CurtSibling]

Excellent!

Nothing better than a declaration of peace to confuse everyone!

 

[Free Enterprise]

No, it’s claiming to posses an inerrant knowledge only achievable by special enlightenment that is with 100% certainty correct about what is the origin of the universe that does.

Or do the religious have any shred of doubt that God was the reason for the universe to be?

If someone has a way of being one hundred percent certain of a particular fact then there is nothing prideful about that. A method of arriving at something with one hundred percent certainty would be something that requires acceptence to the logical mind therefore it is not prideful to accept completely certain factual data in that case. The issue then is: do you think there is a way to acquire one hundred percent certainty on an issue? Perhaps certain events can make it possible.

 

[FredLC]

If someone has a way of being one hundred percent certain of a particular fact then there is nothing prideful about that. A method of arriving at something with one hundred percent certainty would be something that requires acceptence to the logical mind therefore it is not prideful to accept completely certain factual data in that case. The issue then is: do you think there is a way to acquire one hundred percent certainty on an issue? Perhaps certain events can make it possible.

Perhaps. No known event have, though... and still, there are people who hold absolute certaints.

Regards .

 

[Revolutionary]

If God exists, you can rest assured that it is I who will be judging him for his petty puppet morality-show. Smiting, destroying and sentencing to eternal torment is more akin to the work of a Stalin or Hitler. If God exists, you will almost certainly find him in Hell.

exactly it is WE who should judge this "supreme being" if it is condemning us to hell simply because we don't follow "its ways" blindly, without evidence, and based solely on faith

why in the world should we worship a "being" who as it is written in your "holy books" has commited acts of atrocities against us lowly defenceless humans?

it is funny, nay it is sad that some religious people think that those who don't blindly follow there "holy God" are "evil" and should go to hell, a "God" that by their own "holy books" has commited horrific acts that surpass that of Hitler, or Stalin, or Genghis Khan, or any other human being.

 

[Voynich]

In response to the rock paradox, in Christianity God is thought to be able to do anything that is possible. Thus not being able to do things that are not logically possible does not contradict omnipotence. Therefore not being able to create a rock that nothing can lift can be said not to pose a serious problem for the theism.

 

[Smidlee]

here is proof there is no good and almighty god:

nothing can be almighty,its simply not possible,why?

well think about this old question:can god create a rock so big and heavy even he cant lift?

if yes,then the fact that he cant lift it means he is not almighty

if no,then there you have it

If God did creat a rock he couldn't lift then where would he put it??

God can do all things but at the same time he can't go againest his own character and attributes.

 

[CurtSibling]

If God did creat a rock he couldn't lift then where would he put it??

God can do all things but at the same time he can't go againest his own character and attributes.

Here is the kind of post I created this thread about!

Can you back up this statement Smidlee, or are you going to admit god is in your imagination?

Making such claims without a shred of proof is leaving you devoid of credibility.

Well?

 

[HamaticBabylon]

Ah finally I can post again! .....

 

[CurtSibling]

Welcome back - Play nice!

 

[cgannon64]

Hey, what did that great closed thread I mention in my sig link to?

I need to talk to that guy. He's a genius.

 

[Saga of Gemini]

Ok this Q has a simple answer The rock interrogant its a simple paradox...but that paradox only takes in consideration that Gods only atribute its power..he has Justice, wisdom,and love...so tell me wheres the wisdom in making such rock?.
Also We cant understand this matters in balck and white since none of us understand what omnipowerfull means.