Punching Nazis

[Timsup2nothin]

How about punching blacks? I mean, I don't like those, and other people don't like them either, so that must mean it's okay.

Go ahead, just don't cry when they punch you back because I suspect you might be overestimating the "other people don't like them either" part. Personally, if a bunch of them took offense to your comment and beat you bloody I'd laugh my butt off and then buy them a round.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Pro-diversity people who advocate attacking a demographic, any demographic, are hypocrites.

Hypocrisy by itself doesn't bother me as long as the person is aware of it, but everyone I've spoken to seem staunchly under the belief that it's not hypocritical because "Nazis are bad".

Can't consider yourself a proponent of tolerance if you're an intolerant chav who mugs people. I mean, you can, but you'd be a liar.

I don't think it even matters that it's hypocritical. Talking about how cool it is to physically attack people for their beliefs is just bad in its own right.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

If said black person was a nazi, then yes, punching them would be ok. You lose your right to not get punched the instant you start advocating for racial genocide.

Under what legal system is that the case? I mean, it sounds like you're making an objective statement there, so I'm presuming there must be some official system where that's true.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Go ahead, just don't cry when they punch you back because I suspect you might be overestimating the "other people don't like them either" part. Personally, if a bunch of them took offense to your comment and beat you bloody I'd laugh my butt off and then buy them a round.

Yeah... I have no problem with punching back dude.

 

[Bootstoots]

I don't have a problem with it in principle, but I do Nazi how anything good comes from it either.

Spencer seems to deliberately bait people into hitting him as a way to increase the amount of publicity he gets and to discredit antifascists. It's not as if he does Nazi that spouting racist drivel at a multiracial crowd of angry young people could incite somebody to hurt him.

But if I saw someone doing this and was questioned by the cops, I'd lie and claim that I did Nazi what happened.

 

[aelf]

Sure, as long as I get to decide who is a nazi

You can simply stick to those who profess to be Nazis or expressly follow Nazi ideology.

 

[Synobun]

You can simply stick to those who profess to be Nazis or expressly follow Nazi ideology.

What if I was born in the wrong generation and instead want to punch Communists?

 

[Manfred Belheim]

I also like the honesty in admitting that you don't like black people. I guess equality is out of fashion these days.

It amuses me that you actually think that was me being "honest". Unless you just out-sarcasmed me that is, in which case well-played.

 

[Bootstoots]

How about punching blacks? I mean, I don't like those, and other people don't like them either, so that must mean it's okay.

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[aelf]

The last time people didn't want to punch Nazis, we called it appeasement and blamed it for causing World War 2.

It amuses me that you actually think that was me being "honest". Unless you just out-sarcasmed me that is, in which case well-played.

Yeah, your modus operandi is familiar to me. Say something that can obviously be interpreted as meaning something and then claim you don't actually mean it. I think someone is pretty well-known for that kind of trick as well.

 

[Perfection]

I'm quite fine with being branded an anti-intellectual if I think attacking people is a rather terrible thing to do and accomplishes nothing of any true value.

It's cool, you're not a nazi so you don't get the punchy punchy

 

[Synobun]

The last time people didn't want to punch Nazis, we called it appeasement and blamed it for causing World War 2.

I am 1500% positive that someone sucker-punching Hitler on the street would have done nothing to prevent the rise of Fascism/Nazism.

But sure. Believe you're preventing the next Reich by flailing your limp hands at someone in public. Whatever helps you feel better. Try doing something more productive when you're feeling up to it, though.

 

[Lexicus]

A little bit of the ol' punchy punchy will do nothing to curb the advocacy of mass extermination you're resistant against. You lose legitimacy by partaking in the "I'll attack anyone I don't agree with" hobby.

Exactly, which is why when it comes to punching Nazis, Machiavelli comes in handy:
"If an injury must be done to a man, it should be so severe his vengeance need not be feared."

Weird. Nazis might say you lose your right to not get punched the instant you're black.

TIL that Vincour apparently believes being black and advocating genocide are morally equivalent reasons to punch someone.

I am 1500% positive that someone sucker-punching Hitler on the street would have done nothing to prevent the rise of Fascism/Nazism.

No, but shooting Hitler in the back of the head in 1925 would have.

 

[Synobun]

No, but shooting Hitler in the back of the head in 1925 would have.

Just so we're on the same page here, you advocate gunning down anyone who aligns with a Fascist ideology in the streets?

 

[W|M]

Being pro-punching-Nazis is the most obviously good political position there is, as is being pro-war-against-Nazis

 

[aelf]

I am 1500% positive that someone sucker-punching Hitler on the street would have done nothing to prevent the rise of Fascism/Nazism.

But sure. Believe you're preventing the next Reich by flailing your limp hands at someone in public. Whatever helps you feel better. Try doing something more productive when you're feeling up to it, though.

I thought we're arguing about the principle of being willing to use violence against Nazis, not specifically punching random Nazis in the streets. Switching back and forth between the two when it suits you strikes me as disingenuous.

Also, "flailing your limp hands" - I'm really fascinated by all the implications that using such imagery has. If you intended to sound like an alt-right ****, congratulations - you succeeded.

 

[Synobun]

I thought we're arguing the principle of being willing to use violence against Nazis, not specifically punching random Nazis in the streets. Switching back and forth between the two when it suits you strikes me as disingenuous.

Not disingenuous at all. The relevant example being used is some alt-right dude being sucker-punched. Lexicus' alternative to that approach was shooting them in the back of the head. I'm sure you can find a middle-ground you're comfortable with, but my "anti" position remains true regardless of which violent scenario you concoct.

Also, "flailing your limp hands" - I'm really fascinated by all the implications that using such imagery has. If you intended to sound like an alt-right ****, congratulations - you succeeded.

I guess I'm also fine with being branded as alt-right for being against wanton violence against people. I mean, that's a hilarious thing to brand me as, but I'm fine with it. Whatever makes you feel better.

 

[cardgame]

"No tolerant man can accept intolerance. It would be the very opposite of what he believes in."

There's no such thing as tolerance of intolerance. That is only cowardice.

Just so we're on the same page here, you advocate gunning down anyone who aligns with a Fascist ideology in the streets?

It's all about pre-emptive strikes. If somebody says "I'm going to stab you," are you going to wait for him to stab you, or are you going to take the knife out of his hands?

 

[aelf]

Not disingenuous at all. The relevant example being used is some alt-right dude being sucker-punched. Lexicus' alternative to that approach was shooting them in the back of the head. I'm sure you can find a middle-ground you're comfortable with, but my "anti" position remains true regardless of which violent scenario you concoct.

Your retort clearly only applies to the specific example of punching random Nazis in the streets, though.

I guess I'm also fine with being branded as alt-right for being against wanton violence against people. I mean, that's a hilarious thing to brand me as, but I'm fine with it. Whatever makes you feel better.

Right. You sound like an alt-right **** for being against violence and not because of the way you choose to portray someone who disagrees with you. Keep telling yourself that additional bit of disingenuity. You're a persecuted righteous one, yep.

 

[W|M]

False ''pacifism'' doesn't stop Nazis from ruining things, violence against them does.