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I love how it's always the literal Communists that make the biggest stink about the supposed "fascist" threat. Like, I'm pretty sure you guys have more than a few skeletons in your own closet before you start lecturing other people about the threat of evil regimes.
Zionism is arguably an ideology that is fundamentally based on ethnic cleansing. When the Zionist state was created almost of the native Palestinians were ethnically cleansed from their homes. The policy of the Zionist state since it's inception has also been a continued ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in the neighboring territories of West Bank in Gaza. Homes are regularly seized from native Palestinians, bulldozed, and replaced with settlements for Israeli citizens. I'm not sure how can this be described as anything but an ethnic cleansing.
Unlike Nazis, who are entirely a fringe group and are relegated to talking to people on the street, Zionists are all over our political landscape. This is an article by the Zionist Ben Shapiro, arguing for the forced removal of Palestinians. See:
Lots of Zionists argue for the same thing, or worse, whether publicly or privately. And to be clear, Ben Shapiro is a very mainstream figure in American politics. He runs one of the most popular American political podcasts. Clearly, any threat that you think these fringe Nazis pose, Zionists like Ben Shapiro pose a much larger and more present threat.
And please don't just dismiss this as "anti-Semitism". You will hear far-leftists like Noam Chomsky saying much the same thing.
So how about it? Should we make "punch a Zionist" a thing?
I say all of this not to say we should punch Zionists, or Traitorfish, nor to excuse the crimes of the Nazis. I say all of this to point out that you all have a pretty gaping moral blindsplot when it comes to leftist crimes, and the size of that blindspot seems to be proportional to how big of a threat you view fringe groups of Nazis to be. Something to reflect on.
It's pretty funny how you say that property rights are invalid but insist that the community is theirs and this guy is invading them. Sounds like something someone on the far right would say about immigrants.
I would challenge you to be more consistent with your ethics here. This guy was clearly not posing any threat, and you did nothing to stop his ideas from spreading. Nobody watched that video and then thought to themselves, "gee, I guess the Nazis were worse than I thought". If anything, you just made the guy seem like a more sympathetic figure. He's also probably now more radicalized in his views. In his mind he came out to try to talk to people and share his ideas. You could have used this opportunity to learn about his story, and convert him to your anarcho-communist ideals. Instead you attacked him in cold blood. Now he gets to play the victim and might gain a few converts because of it. The "violent leftist" meme is employed quite successfully on the far right and stuff like plays right into that. You really ought to re-evaluate your tactics here.
You talked a big game about the "inherent value" of human life. These are great opportunities for you to walk the talk, so to speak. You speak of criticising Islam and not Muslims, why not apply the same principle here? A human being is a human being, no?
Lol. Who's gonna do the "banning" there, Mr. Anarchist?Ban all schools
Ok, what about Zionism though?Communism, as a base ideology, does not espouse ethnic cleansing. The "let's try on a different hat for size" approach doesn't work when arguing about Nazism. You will need to do a better job if you hope to play a Devil's Advocate role here.
Zionism is arguably an ideology that is fundamentally based on ethnic cleansing. When the Zionist state was created almost of the native Palestinians were ethnically cleansed from their homes. The policy of the Zionist state since it's inception has also been a continued ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in the neighboring territories of West Bank in Gaza. Homes are regularly seized from native Palestinians, bulldozed, and replaced with settlements for Israeli citizens. I'm not sure how can this be described as anything but an ethnic cleansing.
Unlike Nazis, who are entirely a fringe group and are relegated to talking to people on the street, Zionists are all over our political landscape. This is an article by the Zionist Ben Shapiro, arguing for the forced removal of Palestinians. See:
Here is the bottom line: If you believe that the Jewish state has a right to exist, then you must allow Israel to transfer the Palestinians and the Israeli-Arabs from Judea, Samaria, Gaza and Israel proper. It's an ugly solution, but it is the only solution. And it is far less ugly than the prospect of bloody conflict ad infinitum. When two populations are constantly enmeshed in conflict, it is insane to suggest that somehow deep-seated ideological change will miraculously occur, allowing the two sides to live together.
Lots of Zionists argue for the same thing, or worse, whether publicly or privately. And to be clear, Ben Shapiro is a very mainstream figure in American politics. He runs one of the most popular American political podcasts. Clearly, any threat that you think these fringe Nazis pose, Zionists like Ben Shapiro pose a much larger and more present threat.
And please don't just dismiss this as "anti-Semitism". You will hear far-leftists like Noam Chomsky saying much the same thing.
So how about it? Should we make "punch a Zionist" a thing?
Oh baloney. @Traitorfish has repeatedly expressed his desire to "hang capitalists". You can say he was joking, but remember you've already said you don't buy the "it's just a prank, bro!" defense. And I'm sure I don't need to remind you what happened the last time people with his attitude came into power.I haven't seen anyone here say that.
I say all of this not to say we should punch Zionists, or Traitorfish, nor to excuse the crimes of the Nazis. I say all of this to point out that you all have a pretty gaping moral blindsplot when it comes to leftist crimes, and the size of that blindspot seems to be proportional to how big of a threat you view fringe groups of Nazis to be. Something to reflect on.
What if he was wearing the same swastika armband but was doing charity work? What if he was raising money for children with cancer, or taking care of puppies at a local animal shelter?He had invaded their communities and was harassing them.
It's pretty funny how you say that property rights are invalid but insist that the community is theirs and this guy is invading them. Sounds like something someone on the far right would say about immigrants.
I would challenge you to be more consistent with your ethics here. This guy was clearly not posing any threat, and you did nothing to stop his ideas from spreading. Nobody watched that video and then thought to themselves, "gee, I guess the Nazis were worse than I thought". If anything, you just made the guy seem like a more sympathetic figure. He's also probably now more radicalized in his views. In his mind he came out to try to talk to people and share his ideas. You could have used this opportunity to learn about his story, and convert him to your anarcho-communist ideals. Instead you attacked him in cold blood. Now he gets to play the victim and might gain a few converts because of it. The "violent leftist" meme is employed quite successfully on the far right and stuff like plays right into that. You really ought to re-evaluate your tactics here.
You talked a big game about the "inherent value" of human life. These are great opportunities for you to walk the talk, so to speak. You speak of criticising Islam and not Muslims, why not apply the same principle here? A human being is a human being, no?
Most "Maoists" I'm acquainted with seem to spend most of their time calling people white supremacists from behind keyboards for not supporting North Korea in its anti-imperialist struggle, so I'm not too concerned about them tbh
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