Punching Nazis

[Arwon]

Quite. There seems to be a difficulty in delineating different kinds of speech.

 

[Kyriakos]

The misunderstanding that liberals seem to have is that they need the physical violence to already have happened or have been in progress before they accept the self-defense.

OR at the very least it should be logically expected that such an attack will take place against them. This isn't the case in this video where one nazi (apparently without any arms, and not strong himself at all; he is a dough) is in front of three (or more) others, and one of them punches him to the ground. This isn't self-defense; it is ridiculous for anyone to claim it is.

 

[Berzerker]

One thing that makes the modern reparations different is that we've had a legal continuation of the original (stolen) property rights. So, they were gained under a government that still stands. Property is created by laws, and because that property was created and inherited, there's a continuation. Now if there'd been a few overthrows of society in between, that's another thing. Luckily, there hadn't been.

There was an overthrow, slavery was abolished

 

[inthesomeday]

OR at the very least it should be logically expected that such an attack will take place against them. This isn't the case in this video where one nazi (apparently without any arms, and not strong himself at all; he is a dough) is in front of three (or more) others, and one of them punches him to the ground. This isn't self-defense; it is ridiculous for anyone to claim it is.

He was screaming at them about how he REALLY WANTED to violently exterminate them and their families and everyone they loved, and dressed the part too. He had invaded their personal and communal space, spewing this hateful and violent speech. He had, on the way there, and while on the street corner, been reported as having harassed or menacingly approached several passerby. This instance, wherein he did just about everything short of, indeed, literally enacting a physical attack against the people around him, goes to show that the argument for a logical reasoning expecting violence actually doesn't care about logical reasoning and needs, in fact, an actual physically violent attack to have happened or to be in progress.

There was an overthrow, slavery was abolished

Wrong. Read the thirteenth amendment sometime.

 

[Kyriakos]

He was screaming at them about how he REALLY WANTED to violently exterminate them and their families and everyone they loved, and dressed the part too. He had invaded their personal and communal space, spewing this hateful and violent speech. He had, on the way there, and while on the street corner, been reported as having harassed or menacingly approached several passerby. This instance, wherein he did just about everything short of, indeed, literally enacting a physical attack against the people around him, goes to show that the argument for a logical reasoning expecting violence actually doesn't care about logical reasoning and needs, in fact, an actual physically violent attack to have happened or to be in progress.



Wrong. Read the thirteenth amendment sometime.

Ok, any proof he was doing the things you say he was?

Cause the video in this thread doesn't show anything like it. I have to doubt this weakling would try to threaten harm to 3 others, let alone when those are clearly more physically strong than he is by a very long shot.

 

[Akka]

I feel like you don't even really read my posts, just fire off a set of prefigured talking points

I'm using your own criteria and you find the results stupids. Kind of speak for itself.

 

[stinkubus]

As a matter of fact I do. What of it?

 

[luiz]

What a hero. He knocks out a fat pathetic guy who was outnumbered at least 3 x 1. Should get a Medal of Honor for this kind of bravery.

 

[inthesomeday]

Ok, any proof he was doing the things you say he was?

Cause the video in this thread doesn't show anything like it. I have to doubt this weakling would try to threaten harm to 3 others, let alone when those are clearly more physically strong than he is by a very long shot.

There are plenty of articles and firsthand accounts on social media about it, you can go read those.

 

[Ryika]

Please post a conclusive example here.

I'm interested in the evidence, but don't have the time to search for one myself right now, and you seem to already know where to look for them.

 

[Lexicus]

I have to doubt this weakling would try to threaten harm to 3 others, let alone when those are clearly more physically strong than he is by a very long shot.

Yes, just like Hitler would never be stupid enough to invade the USSR and then declare war on the US...

 

[Kyriakos]

Yes, just like Hitler would never be stupid enough to invade the USSR and then declare war on the US...

Best and most rigorous true parallelism ever ^^

 

[Lexicus]

Best and most rigorous true parallelism ever ^^

I mean, it kind of is. The guy is wearing a swastika armband and you're trying to say he wouldn't act so irrationally as to attack people who are clearly stronger than he is...

 

[inthesomeday]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.ther...nock-out-nazi-for-harassing-bl-1818524032/amp

Here's a pretty comprehensive set of things I mentioned. Again, a lot of the information had to come from individuals communicating along horizontal lines of organization because there isn't a lot of profit for news media to report on things like this as they happen, only after.

 

[Kyriakos]

I mean, it kind of is. The guy is wearing a swastika armband and you're trying to say he wouldn't act so irrationally as to attack people who are clearly stronger than he is...

Well, unless he can break up into hundreds of tanks and airplanes, and engage those others in some plane where they morph into analogous stuff, chances are he won't try

 

[Lexicus]

People who wear swastika armbands don't act rationally

 

[Ryika]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.ther...nock-out-nazi-for-harassing-bl-1818524032/amp

Here's a pretty comprehensive set of things I mentioned. Again, a lot of the information had to come from individuals communicating along horizontal lines of organization because there isn't a lot of profit for news media to report on things like this as they happen, only after.

But those are just people making claims, or am I missing something? Where's the evidence? Why is there footage of him being punched, but no footage of the things he supposedly did? Why does the only video that is available only show the punch, even though the video was clearly already running before that moment Where's the banana that he apparently threw?

 

[inthesomeday]

Ah so you need video evidence that a guy yelling on a street corner wearing a swastika armband was harassing people, okay.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Punching seems a little extreme, tarred and feathered might be more appropriate.

 

[Ryika]

Ah so you need video evidence that a guy yelling on a street corner wearing a swastika armband was harassing people, okay.

No, I mostly want video evidence of the guy yelling on the street corner. All I have seen so far is the guy sitting in the subway, minding his own business while wearing that silly armband, and him being knocked out.

Again, maybe I've just missed it, but as far as I can tell, it doesn't exist.