Racism

[brennan]

Again, when you have movements trying to bring back abolition of reproductive rights and pretending that throwing 14 million people off health insurance is 'looking out for the little guy', then even in Blighty, where we've been (effectively) run by Tories for forty years, we are just stunned by the sheer alien madness of it.

 

[Narz]

Should you be surprised when those who suffer under those systems (BLM for example) call you racists for perpetuating systems that persecute them?

Racism is bad. It would be less problematic if one of the BLM founders wasn't also a racist.

Criminal justice system has racist & classist tendencies for sure.

People cry racist a bit too much though & like the shepard boy people may forget wolves really exist if someone's constantly crying about them.

Stuff like people who complain about Gap ads.

 

[Narz]

No, you don't.
White women do in no way "face obstacles much like African Americans do".
In fact that is thing one should not say.

Yeah that's a bizarre statement. Black men are the most feared demographic outside of maybe Muslims. White women are the least. People should be real, if they wanted to commit a crime & get away with it who would you hire to do it? A white woman or possibly Asian woman.

 

[brennan]

As I recall, being an atheist was always considered much worse than being a Mohammedan. At least the infidel believed in something; us atheists might just decide to go on a rape/murder rampage at any time - you know, because anything goes when there's no sky-daddie to tell you how to behave.

 

[Kyriakos]

I think that the endless racism/anti racism talks of today are similar to the pro/anti communism ones of past times: they wont change anything, and largely serve as diversion and pacification of the poor/young/other. Just look at the ridiculous eu which can't even make little hungary stop electing actual racists to power; tptb cannot care less, but dont mind the plebs/etc talking.

 

[brennan]

Plebs? Surely you mean Helots?

 

[Kyriakos]

Plebs? Surely you mean Helots?

I generally aspire to be a perioikos; and live long enough to be shipped to some new colony.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I think that the endless racism/anti racism talks of today are similar to the pro/anti communism ones of past times: they wont change anything, and largely serve as diversion and pacification of the poor/young/other.

Education for the young, not diversion and pacification.

If there had not been public condemnation of racism to offset what I was taught at home then my part of my generation could easily have wound up as an extension of my father's part of his generation.

 

[Narz]

As I recall, being an atheist was always considered much worse than being a Mohammedan. At least the infidel believed in something; us atheists might just decide to go on a rape/murder rampage at any time - you know, because anything goes when there's no sky-daddie to tell you how to behave.

True. I think the only group hated more than even atheists are vegans

 

[Kyriakos]

Education for the young, not diversion and pacification.

If there had not been public condemnation of racism to offset what I was taught at home then my part of my generation could easily have wound up as an extension of my father's part of his generation.

Visit europe. We operate on a different level (of racism) here.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

True. I think the only group hated more than even atheists are vegans

Those are both overplayed. Nobody hates vegans in general, just vegans who insist that you have to field a vegan option on your menu or otherwise try to make you adapt your own choices to accommodate theirs. Same with atheists. If they go quietly to their own "church" they are like anyone else who goes quietly to their own church. They get hated when they get aggressive in their proselytizing, just like any other zealot does.

 

[brennan]

I regard Reginald D. Hunter's words on the matter as definitive:

 

[Kyriakos]

I regard Reginald D. Hunter's words on the matter as definitive:

That dude is cool; too bad no one told him that the show he was in is for total has-beens and way past its death-time!!!

By now hignfy is to a tv show what lord prescott is to a human.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Can't argue with that. As I often tell my black friends, those accursed anglo-saxons were oppressing my ancestors long before they even found yours.

 

[brennan]

That clip is about a decade old now. I don't know if HIGNFY is even still going.

 

[bernie14]

Yeah that's a bizarre statement. Black men are the most feared demographic outside of maybe Muslims. White women are the least. People should be real, if they wanted to commit a crime & get away with it who would you hire to do it? A white woman or possibly Asian woman.

There should be an app for that

 

[Cutlass]

The only way to get rid of them overnight is by revolution. And that has a poor track record in so many ways (which is why I prefer the tag 'democratic socialist' to 'marxist').

Good suggestions for tackling them in the medium term (over a few decades) include progressive taxation (including wealth taxes and higher inheritance tax), nationalised health services and a comprehensive social security system, universal education and legislation enshrining equal rights (including workers' rights to collective bargaining). UBI is an idea that needs more large scale trials.

Proper taxation of existing wealth, as opposed to income, is a biggie that has not been addressed properly anywhere in the West afaik. The post-war consensus was a damn thorough start on many of them, especially in Europe, but is currently in retreat under right-wing pressure.

Introduction of systems that purport to be redistributory, but actually have obvious wealthy or middle-class beneficiaries (a good example from the UK was the ridiculous 'Help-to-Buy' scheme) are a problem as well, as others have intimated, they do not undermine the principle however, merely show that it can be abused by the wealthy.

While this isn't bad, it certainly is far short of what it would take for African Americans to have an equal opportunity to succeed as white Americans.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

While this isn't bad, it certainly is far short of what it would take for African Americans to have an equal opportunity to succeed as white Americans.

Immediately? Certainly. If such reforms were instituted and successfully held in place for about five generations it could work.

 

[brennan]

I don't see how you can be certain if you haven't tried half of them and screwed up most of the others/

 

[HoloDoc]

As I recall, being an atheist was always considered much worse than being a Mohammedan. At least the infidel believed in something; us atheists might just decide to go on a rape/murder rampage at any time - you know, because anything goes when there's no sky-daddie to tell you how to behave.

I'm forcing my next girlfriend to refer to me as "sky-daddy."

I have had long, in-depth conversations with otherwise intelligent people where they just couldn't wrap their heads around the idea of agnosticism,

There should be an app for that

I need some extra money...

@Timsup2nothin: Sorry about that.