Random Rants 79: [Impassionating Intensifies]

[H4run]

Here when the employee past probation you cannot just fire them, first you must give them perspective most of them change after that, then after some insistent send them first warning letter, it mostly freak most of them out, then second warning letter and call them to your office tell them that they are now at the edge of the cliff so they better sober up, if they refuses to stop whatever they are doing then and only then you can fire them. I thought the US is more complex and protective toward their labor than that, it suprises me you @Commodore can fire her just base on your assumption that her temperament is not fit for the job, in that case why they accept her application to begin with? when you decide to hire her, you take some responsibility on that decision.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

And really we are paying $30/hour to their company per guard, they are the ones that choose to only give the guards $15/hour out of that. And that $15/hour is still well above what other security guards make.

$15/hour is the adult minimum wage in my province (used to be for teen workers, but our new premier declared that kids don't need that kind of money and knocked it down some (apparently since he's a college dropout, it just whooshed over his head that many of these kids are saving for college/university).

 

[AdamCrock]

I said it's high stress. It's still unskilled labor though that doesn't require any special education or certifications beyond the standard state security officer license.

And really we are paying $30/hour to their company per guard, they are the ones that choose to only give the guards $15/hour out of that. And that $15/hour is still well above what other security guards make.

Although part of my proposal for going with in-house security is going to be to raise the pay to $20-$25/hour plus benefits to attract better candidates.

Well after (quickly converts $->PNAR (Polish North African Rupies)) consideration I'd say that for 15$/h I'd most certainly do weekends ! Not only that but dance, sing, stand on one leg as well if necessary If You'd say guard I guard, you say jump I ask how high , You say die for Your client I'd most certainly run away So where do I sign up ?

Now more seriously : I can't help but feel sorry for the woman. However I do believe that You're making the right call. Part of the boss job is to make a hard decisions and You do that. I just hope that You gave it some thought and not acted on an impulse I too have learned "the hard way" a couple of times in my life and I can say it helped me develop stronger character and better self - discipline. Sadly there are things at life You just can't learn "the easy way".

 

[Commodore]

Here when the employee past probation you cannot just fire them, first you must give them perspective most of them change after that, then after some insistent send them first warning letter, it mostly freak most of them out, then second warning letter and call them to your office tell them that they are now at the edge of the cliff so they better sober up, if they refuses to stop whatever they are doing then and only then you can fire them. I thought the US is more complex and protective toward their labor than that, it suprises me you @Commodore can fire her just base on your assumption that her temperament is not fit for the job, in that case why they accept her application to begin with? when you decide to hire her, you take some responsibility on that decision.

If she were a direct employee of our company, then yeah I would have had to go through our disciplinary process with her before being able to fire her. However, since she works for a company that is only doing contract work for us, all I have to do is say I don't want a particular person on our property anymore and their company has to comply.

Also, Ohio is an "at will" state. That means that unless there is a collective bargaining agreement in place that says otherwise, an employer can fire an employee for any reason or no reason, unless that reason is something prohibited by federal law (racial discrimination for example).

 

[cardgame]

Also, Ohio is an "at will" state. That means that unless there is a collective bargaining agreement in place that says otherwise, an employer can fire an employee for any reason or no reason, unless that reason is something prohibited by federal law (racial discrimination for example).

You say that like it's a good thing

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Here when the employee past probation you cannot just fire them, first you must give them perspective most of them change after that, then after some insistent send them first warning letter, it mostly freak most of them out, then second warning letter and call them to your office tell them that they are now at the edge of the cliff so they better sober up, if they refuses to stop whatever they are doing then and only then you can fire them. I thought the US is more complex and protective toward their labor than that, it suprises me you @Commodore can fire her just base on your assumption that her temperament is not fit for the job, in that case why they accept her application to begin with? when you decide to hire her, you take some responsibility on that decision.

Nope. There is no probationary period in most jobs, especially non-union jobs (which itself is the majority of jobs). Employers in basically all states can fire anyone, for any reasons (or non-reason) at any time unless they are in a union which is a small fraction of the overall job market.

@Commodore - I agree it's really bad of the woman to have agreed to work weekends and then immediately complain about working weekends. But you don't know what's going on in her life; she might have had something really terrible going on that made her have a bad mood. One hissy fit is not something people should lose work over; it's indecent.

 

[H4run]

Nope. There is no probationary period in most jobs, especially non-union jobs (which itself is the majority of jobs). Employers in basically all states can fire anyone, for any reasons (or non-reason) at any time unless they are in a union which is a small fraction of the overall job market.

That's super horrible, I cannot imagine anyone taking a house, car, phone on monthly credit then suddenly they get cut off from their source of income and go down the hill with their debt accumulated then their property taken, that madness can bring someone from the top of the hill to become homeless, it really sounds as horrible as that to me.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

That's super horrible, I cannot imagine anyone taking a house, car, phone on monthly credit then suddenly they get cut off from their source of income and go down the hill with their debt accumulated then their property taken, that madness can bring someone from the top of the hill to become homeless, it really sounds as horrible as that to me.

And they also lose their health insurance when they're fired too, unless they can afford COBRA which is an extremely expensive, temporary stopgap. The would become eligible for Obamacare but that's highly dependent on which state they live in.

 

[Commodore]

You say that like it's a good thing

No, I didn't say it like it's a good thing. I just said it to give haroon additional context on what the law says about how and why employers can fire someone.

I agree it's really bad of the woman to have agreed to work weekends and then immediately complain about working weekends. But you don't know what's going on in her life; she might have had something really terrible going on that made her have a bad mood. One hissy fit is not something people should lose work over; it's indecent.

Like I said, the decision was mostly made based on how she approached it. She wasn't even supposed to come to me at all about it. However, I would have let that slide had she approached me in a more professional manner. I still wouldn't have done anything about her schedule though, because like I said, that's an internal matter with her company and I have no authority as the client to deal with that. All I have is the power to decide who can or can't work on our property and I can assign "special details" that require additional security coverage beyond what they are contractually obligated to provide.

I will admit though that my problem is mostly with the company she works for, rather than with her specifically. They keep sending us people that don't meet the standards we are looking for. Hell, most of the people they send us don't even make it through the training. Which is why I've also started looking more closely for mistakes they make on the job because if they hit a certain threshold for errors and contract violations, that will allow us to cancel the contract early without having to pay it out.

That way I can get my in-house security and finally have some real control over the quality of the people we have working for us. I do plan on keeping most of the guards we have now though. They are good at what they do, so I'm hoping to just fire their company and poach those guards at the same time.

 

[Hygro]

Polish North African Rupies ROFL!!

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Small rant: Some years ago, I decided to save a single file in a weird proprietary format (e.g. opening it in either Notepad++ or a hex editor doesn't show anything useful). I have no idea what's in the file, so I have no idea if it's worth the effort of installing the program used to open it.

EDIT: I went ahead and installed it. The file was blank.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

First world rant-
When my car is charging, it has a light on the dashboard that lights up green. Naturally, people see a green light and think that means it's done so they unplug my car or leave nastygrams on it ranting about how inconsiderate I am to leave a charged car plugged in and I half expect some entitled prick to scratch it up one day. I have taken to putting a note on the dashboard explaining the light doesn't mean what they think it means. Hopefully that's enough.

 

[Birdjaguar]

First world rant-
When my car is charging, it has a light on the dashboard that lights up green. Naturally, people see a green light and think that means it's done so they unplug my car or leave nastygrams on it ranting about how inconsiderate I am to leave a charged car plugged in and I half expect some entitled prick to scratch it up one day. I have taken to putting a note on the dashboard explaining the light doesn't mean what they think it means. Hopefully that's enough.

What does the light do when you are all charged up?

 

[cardgame]

First world rant-
When my car is charging, it has a light on the dashboard that lights up green. Naturally, people see a green light and think that means it's done so they unplug my car or leave nastygrams on it ranting about how inconsiderate I am to leave a charged car plugged in and I half expect some entitled prick to scratch it up one day. I have taken to putting a note on the dashboard explaining the light doesn't mean what they think it means. Hopefully that's enough.

Why would anyone care about leaving it plugged in??? I'm confused

 

[Cutlass]

Why would anyone care about leaving it plugged in??? I'm confused

As are we all. Once charged, it's drawing no more power.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

I think hobbs means that people feel that he is taking up a charging station when his car is already charged and then they can't use it.

 

[Lohrenswald]

I mean tbh a lot of my family members when they charge stuff like for example a telephone they often take away the telephone but leave the actual charging cable in the socket and I get very mad about that

 

[hobbsyoyo]

What does the light do when you are all charged up?

Turns off.

Why would anyone care about leaving it plugged in??? I'm confused

As are we all. Once charged, it's drawing no more power.

What she said:

I think hobbs means that people feel that he is taking up a charging station when his car is already charged and then they can't use it.

There's a limited numbers of chargers available and they recently took away half the chargers to install stupid short term rental cars. When someone sees my car plugged in and they think it's done charging and I've just left it there for hours, they get understandably mad. Unfortunately, this leads to them acting out.

I mean tbh a lot of my family members when they charge stuff like for example a telephone they often take away the telephone but leave the actual charging cable in the socket and I get very mad about that

The chargers are permanently installed in the building. It's not my charger, it's a charger for public use that costs money.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

Rant: I have a friend staying from out of town and she brought her young son with her. Ok fine, I can deal with a kid for a weekend...

What I can't deal with is stepping on ^%#@ LEGO at 5:30 in the morning when I go to let the cat out.

 

[Birdjaguar]

@hobbsyoyo Then your sign needs to read: If you see a green light, my car is still charging.