Random Rants : Pissed tae th' gills

[Farm Boy]

I think so, yes. In the case of dogs or horses that is exactly what I am saying.

I also think people who disagree with non-abstinence only education who want to end it are morally wrong despite my agreement with their views on moral sexual behavior.

 

[Phrossack]

I think so, yes. That is exactly what I am saying.

I also think people who disagree with non-abstinence only education who want to end it are morally wrong despite my sympathy for their views on moral sexual behavior.

We have such fundamentally irreconcilable and incomprehensibly alien moral systems that any discussion is pointless, it seems. Aztecs thought human sacrifice was a good thing, the Spanish did not.

 

[Farm Boy]

But a pig can possess all of the qualities you extoll in both dogs and horses. And it'll do those things while being higher on the sentience scales. It's just that we typically do not husband them in such a fashion as to develop these traits. If you raise dogs or cats or horses for slaughter you also husband them differently too.

 

[Phrossack]

But a pig can possess all of the qualities you extoll in both dogs and horses. And it'll do those things while being higher on the sentience scales. It's just that we typically do not husband them in such a fashion as to develop these traits. If you raise dogs or cats or horses for slaughter you also husband them differently too.

I'm not exactly a fan of killing pigs, either, though I don't know any personally. I wouldn't have much of a problem with giving up pork. What I take issue with is that you not only believe that slaughtering horses and dogs is totally okay, and that you disagree with the opponents of such slaughter, but you actually believe that even voicing disagreement with it, protesting it, or otherwise lawfully opposing it is actually immoral, and that said opponents should just shut up and go away rather than voice their disagreement or do anything at all. That's what's incomprehensibly alien to me.

 

[Farm Boy]

I'm not exactly a fan of killing pigs, either, though I don't know any personally. I wouldn't have much of a problem with giving up pork. What I take issue with is that you not only believe that slaughtering horses and dogs is totally okay, and that you disagree with the opponents of such slaughter, but you actually believe that even voicing disagreement with it, protesting it, or otherwise lawfully opposing it is actually immoral, and that said opponents should just shut up and go away rather than voice their disagreement or do anything at all. That's what's incomprehensibly alien to me.

I think people act in immoral ways all the time in their usually well-intended efforts to improve the world.

Look at it this way. I think it's grossly immoral to have casual sex outside of wedlock. I do. I would also consider it grossly immoral of me to go about trying to change statutes to prohibit wide-ranging availability of contraceptives and sexual education, or heaven forbid, actually criminalize adult consensual sexual behavior. Which is actually a closer analogy to that which we're directly discussing. I have absolutely no problem with people advocating their personal opinions and attempting to influence how people decide to screw, or eat: but once you advocate forcing that behavior with law: yes, I think then you are most thoroughly in the wrong.

 

[The_J]

Are you both sure that you're talking about the same thing?



should have put a bit more attention into my Amazon order.
Okay, I'm not really bothered by the fact that they're sending 2 pairs of trousers via airmail from Germany to the Netherlands, but that this other pair has cost me nearly 10€ delivery fee (for some 20€ trousers) that pisses me a bit off, and additionally they had on these unisex trousers apparently female sizes, not male sizes (and nowhere said anything in these regards; filter was set to male trousers).
Bah...hope at least these "air trousers" have the right size .

 

[Phrossack]

I think people act in immoral ways all the time in their usually well-intended efforts to improve the world.

Look at it this way. I think it's grossly immoral to have casual sex outside of wedlock. I do. I would also consider it grossly immoral of me to go about trying to change statutes to prohibit wide-ranging availability of contraceptives and sexual education, or heaven forbid, actually criminalize adult consensual sexual behavior. Which is actually a closer analogy to that which we're directly discussing. I have absolutely no problem with people advocating their personal opinions and attempting to influence how people screw, or eat: but once you advocate forcing that behavior with law: yes, I think then you are most thoroughly in the wrong.

Spoiler we are really off-topic and should let people rant again :

See, my "grossly immoral" category includes things like murder, rape, destroying someone's home, and so on. I don't use "grossly" unless it's actually something serious. Trying to ban the slaughter of horses and dogs hurts nobody, unless they're in the business of slaughtering those animals, and in that case the harm done to them is a hell of a lot less than the harm they do to horses and man's best friend. Of course, you'll reply that horses and dogs aren't people and have no rights, I'll disagree and say that horses and dogs at least deserve some rights and shouldn't be raised and killed for meat, and we'll be at a permanent impasse.

By the way, do you think it's wrong to tell people not to eat already dead people? Eating a dead person doesn't hurt anyone, and who are we to tell people what (or whom) they can or can't eat, the argument might go? Sure, some people object to cannibalism, but that's their problem, and they have no right to force their morals on others, and are in fact as bad as arsonists if they dare do anything about it? Or what if they want to eat-- never mind, I started a thread on that a long time ago and it was immediately closed. Not that I'm saying that horses and dogs are people- they aren't, but cannibalism, like eating dogs, is considered immoral by at least some people, I hope, and like eating dogs, it hurts no people provided the person is already deceased and wasn't killed to be eaten. Yet I think both should definitely be illegal and are totally wrong, while you think that it's outright wrong to try to stop people from eating what they like. As I said, alien morality, or seeing things in blue-and-orange moral terms.

 

[cardgame]

It sounds like you two are actually having an interesting conversation and may want to open a proper thread for it.

Not just yelling at you to get out of here, but I might participate.

rant: awful weather this week (did I already mention that?) and deadlines are looming.

 

[JohannaK]

Oh yeah, I got rejected by my crush quite subtly. I'd say I got friendzoned, but I neither like the concept nor actually believe in it. Unless I choose to believe that he didn't understand what I meant. Which I'm tired of doing and will bring me nowhere.

 

[Farm Boy]

Actually, I've probably exhausted my decent material on this for a while. I wasn't tossing around words when I said I consider casual sex grossly immoral. I do consider it incredibly harmful, and entirely unnecessary the vast majority of the time. So the cost/benefit is almost entirely on people being too selfish to not want to keep it in their pants. Don't assume my opinion lacks bite because I think society is better off if we tolerate behavior I hate.

Which is perhaps why I'm so perpetually stunned that people seem so willing to engage in the sort of mental arrogance that would lead them to believe that even when the issue is muddy they have the moral right to force other people's lives.

Pah.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

Some of these people you speak of are running out government -- but at the end of it all, someboy not you or I is making a fat stack on our labor -- win, lose, or draw -- no matter what our opinion is on any divisive issue.

That's what gets me. I was a vegetarian and I am a Catholic -- but I didn't put those things right up in people's faces, even though those others were carrion-eating fornicators because I respect others' rights to their inferior and despicable beliefs.

 

[Phrossack]

Rant: I'm having a hard time finding what homework is due soon. It seems there is little if any. Now I'm intensely suspicious.

I also think the comments sections of news websites must be destroyed.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

I also think the comments sections of news websites must be destroyed.

Yeah, what's up with that? I mean, I would love to troll Fox "News", but, really.

 

[bhsup]

There was no new Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. on tonight I went to my TV just moments ago eagerly anticipating starting up the DVR recording that was surely there from 7pm only to find it hadn't recorded because it wasn't a new episode.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

There was no new Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. on tonight I went to my TV just moments ago eagerly anticipating starting up the DVR recording that was surely there from 7pm only to find it hadn't recorded because it wasn't a new episode.

That good, huh? I caught NBC's Dracula (HS friend of mine told me it was awesome -- she loves that stuff!) And it's worth a look.

 

[Cutlass]

I bought a 20 pack of AA batteries that said on the package they were good for things like cameras. They were on sale cheap. Each pair of batteries only took 3 pictures before the camera shut down for low battery.

 

[Takhisis]

Rant: exams never seem to end until term does!

There was no new Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. on tonight I went to my TV just moments ago eagerly anticipating starting up the DVR recording that was surely there from 7pm only to find it hadn't recorded because it wasn't a new episode.

Raves thread is over there --->

(you can get fanservice far more easily and with better lines)

 

[Phrossack]

One (or more) of my roommates has been leaving the replacement of the toilet paper to others, and I'm the only one who bothers to buy more. And someone's leaving the empty rolls lying on the floor along with food wrappers. Ugh.

I also think that karaoke nights in college cafeterias must be destroyed.

 

[Kennigit]

I may misremember, but when I ate at the college cafeteria there was a shockingly good singer out of the cafeteria staff there that would sing on karaoke night. Though in general yeah, other people who went up were either awkward, did a bad pop song, or in general just made noise I didn't want to hear regardless of whether it was good or bad (hint: never better than mediocre obv; karaoke is limited).

I could be wrong though.

 

[Dachs]

The [crap]heads that decided it was a good idea to bundle this [freak]ing ask.com malware [dung] with [goshdarn] Java without including a [freak]ing checkbox to deselect it need to be dragged out into the street and set on fire. And then shot. And then ritually dismembered. And then set on fire again.

[Freak]ing [female genitals].