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All dog training means also training the owners, because if the owners don't practice consistency, the dog can't be blamed for becoming confused.
It's a bit different with cats. Until you learn to fly and see around corners, you have to pick your battles.
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He's not getting at lot of exercise now, but he was not any better when I walked him for an hour and a half every day either.
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He has always barked at all times, with little to no provocation. He barks if he notices the trash can has been moved, he barks if he hears someone walking down our hallway, he barks if he sees strangers on the street half a mile away. He just barks, all day long. Making it worse, he's big enough that the bark has real power to it but small enough that it is also in a piercing register. It hurts to listen to, disturbs the baby and has always been a significant source of stress for all of us.
While walking outside he also has a pretty extreme case of leash aggression and lunges at other dogs and people, naturally while barking his head off.
He's in good health, about 7 years old. He's a small breed so he's only started to slow down in the last year or two, but the barking has curbed less than 5% even as his energy/activity levels have plunged overall.
He is also pretty bored right now and isn't getting nearly enough exercise and I don't hold that against him. But truly he's just a barker, and for a couple of years straight he and I would seriously walk for an hour and a half each day and that had no impact on his barking. His default state is to be suspicious and loud, regardless of exercise and engagement levels.
@hobbsyoyo I am not a dog person and haven't had a dog since I was in my teens and living at home. So, with that....
https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/training/how-to-stop-dog-barking/
https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/how-get-your-dog-stop-barking
https://www.thesprucepets.com/stop-your-dog-from-barking-3877988
https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/training/how-to-stop-dog-barking/
https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/how-get-your-dog-stop-barking
https://www.thesprucepets.com/stop-your-dog-from-barking-3877988
You tried it with a choke collar?
Something like this https://www.dtdogcollars.com/classy-keir-braided-collar-p/dtc45braidedchoke.htm (just giving this as an example, since if I google "choke collar", I mostly get nasty looking metal stuff, which looks like it'd hurt; it's basically a .... loop as a collar; will choke the dog if he pulls hard, does otherwise nothing)
My mom used it for our dog. Didn't eliminate the pulling fully, but I think it made it better (although this was a long time ago, so my memories...)
I never learned to train a dog. But what I did learn is that the dog has to understand what is expected of it. And a dog who's treatment is not consistent just gets confused. And that leads to misbehavior. And sometimes finding a home with an owner who understands how to treat the dog in a way the dog understands may be hard on the dog in the short run, but better for it in the long run.
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I'm not an expert, but after 20 years of living with dogs I have a bit of insight into their ways of thinking, so I MIGHT be a bit of help. Regardless, it would be best to ask a specialist. In my country, there's at least a handful that could be contacted for an advice, so try looking for one...
You've mentioned a baby in another post...if the problems escalated after birth, it is probably related. It's a change in the pack. From the way you described it, looks like he's becoming overprotective. How does he behave toward the baby? Who is his alpha? There'll be one person in the family who has most hold over him, whom he considers leader of the pack, and that's most suitable person to sort this out. And how has his behavior changed recently?
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The problems did not escalate after the kid came, I'm just more sensitive to what he's already doing. His barking and behavior itself has not changed, if anything it's slightly better now than in the past because he's older. He's also fine toward the baby.
The change is that I have lost all patience to deal with him and suffer through the barking fits.
The change is that I have lost all patience to deal with him and suffer through the barking fits.
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The dog barks. He will continue to bark. Either you learn to deal with him in your new state of sleep deprivation, or you get rid of him. You had a kid, your priorities changed. Can you cope with the dog and being sleep-dep dad, or do you need to make a change? Good aspirations often conflict with each other, you are human you can't do everything. Determine the seriousness, then make your priorities. Don't **** off with it, make up your mind. Your child will eventually sleep through the night. The dog will still bark, then. Mine took ~2 years to start making it all the way through without waking up. He slept better if in the bed with the wife and I. I suppose, depending on your nighttime patterns, you might let the kid sleep with you, and see if that helps. The dog will still bark.
In the event you need to feel not alone, rather than solution-seeking... you are not alone.
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Ah. So you're trying to change status quo...which is more difficult. Dogs are creatures of habit...
What worked for me when it comes to disruptive behavior is silent treatment. Rather than scolding him, if you do that, just withdraw the attention from him when he's barking. Of course, that only works when the dog was getting enough attention already (and lack of it is common cause for excessive barking), it's done by his pack leader and keep in mind that the dog might try different way of catching your attention. They can be quite inventive in that.
When I write attention, it doesn't mean just walks. Dogs are social animals, they need to be in contact with their pack. He just needs to be close, interact with his pack in some way. I have no idea how much attention and how you pay to him when at home, so you have to figure out yourself how to adjust it. Treats are good shortcut though...I never met a family dog that couldn't be bribed (working dogs are different, but that takes a lot of training).
You have to set up regime of positives and negatives that will make it most beneficial to the dog to shut up. Just keep in mind that he'll try to use it in his own way. So don't give him treats or praise him for shutting up. Just loosen up when he does, and actual reward later. Otherwise he'll associate the reward with shutting up and not prolonged silence, and will look for reasons to bark so he can shut up and get the reward. How exactly you'll do it...that's up to you, I don't know the details about the situation.
And try to look up some specialist online. They'll help you more. Rehoming...well, that is an extreme solution that will cause your dog considerable trauma...so think about it only after exhausting all other options, or you'll end up regretting it.
What worked for me when it comes to disruptive behavior is silent treatment. Rather than scolding him, if you do that, just withdraw the attention from him when he's barking. Of course, that only works when the dog was getting enough attention already (and lack of it is common cause for excessive barking), it's done by his pack leader and keep in mind that the dog might try different way of catching your attention. They can be quite inventive in that.
When I write attention, it doesn't mean just walks. Dogs are social animals, they need to be in contact with their pack. He just needs to be close, interact with his pack in some way. I have no idea how much attention and how you pay to him when at home, so you have to figure out yourself how to adjust it. Treats are good shortcut though...I never met a family dog that couldn't be bribed (working dogs are different, but that takes a lot of training).
You have to set up regime of positives and negatives that will make it most beneficial to the dog to shut up. Just keep in mind that he'll try to use it in his own way. So don't give him treats or praise him for shutting up. Just loosen up when he does, and actual reward later. Otherwise he'll associate the reward with shutting up and not prolonged silence, and will look for reasons to bark so he can shut up and get the reward. How exactly you'll do it...that's up to you, I don't know the details about the situation.
And try to look up some specialist online. They'll help you more. Rehoming...well, that is an extreme solution that will cause your dog considerable trauma...so think about it only after exhausting all other options, or you'll end up regretting it.
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Um, all you dog experts... do you have any suggestion for the noisy dog owner's neighbor?
Since my next-door neighbors, separated from me by just a partition wall, have gotten themselves a new dog that, unlike their previous one (the Lord bless her, she was the perfect dog, absolutely silent yet happy to be petted whenever encountered), barks at the smallest noise (when the stairs are being cleaned you can expect a veritable concert), I've been entertaining especially anti-dog feelings.
Since my next-door neighbors, separated from me by just a partition wall, have gotten themselves a new dog that, unlike their previous one (the Lord bless her, she was the perfect dog, absolutely silent yet happy to be petted whenever encountered), barks at the smallest noise (when the stairs are being cleaned you can expect a veritable concert), I've been entertaining especially anti-dog feelings.
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Does your country have an official wizard?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...ia/new-zealand-wizard-intl-hnk-dst/index.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...ia/new-zealand-wizard-intl-hnk-dst/index.html
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I've managed to curb my dog's going mental when he realises it WalkIES! It was always a PITA but he was getting worse, often meaning I forgot something important
A while ago I taught him paw and rollover at the age of sevenish, so I realised it wass possible to teach an old dog new tricks. Basically the high water mark for his walkies hysteria was at the garden gate. This is the moment of maximum leverage. I would say quiet and not react until he was, even if only for a fraction of a second, then open the gate. In the house if he went ballistic when he saw me getting ready to go out, I would put him in the garden. This wasn't really intended as a part of training, more of a reaction to lockdown changing the mental checklist "keys, wallet, phone, smokes, lighter, poo-bags, reusable bag, lead, mask". But he doesn't really want to wait in the garden while I brush my teeth, so once he understood quiet and that if he would be banished to the garden for non-compliance, he improved.
Now he runs in little over-excited circles and pines with the occasional woof, which is fine. Basically about as distracting as a significant other tisking and pointedly looking at their watch - something I'm sure we've all learnt to tune out years ago.
I think the paw and rollover training were really helpful for the quiet training. He recognised the same stone-faced expression. He understood he would not get what he wanted (treat or walk) unless he was sitting like a good, indeed quiet, dog.
Now he knows what quiet means. Sometimes he, like the honey badger, don't care.
A while ago I taught him paw and rollover at the age of sevenish, so I realised it wass possible to teach an old dog new tricks. Basically the high water mark for his walkies hysteria was at the garden gate. This is the moment of maximum leverage. I would say quiet and not react until he was, even if only for a fraction of a second, then open the gate. In the house if he went ballistic when he saw me getting ready to go out, I would put him in the garden. This wasn't really intended as a part of training, more of a reaction to lockdown changing the mental checklist "keys, wallet, phone, smokes, lighter, poo-bags, reusable bag, lead, mask". But he doesn't really want to wait in the garden while I brush my teeth, so once he understood quiet and that if he would be banished to the garden for non-compliance, he improved.
Now he runs in little over-excited circles and pines with the occasional woof, which is fine. Basically about as distracting as a significant other tisking and pointedly looking at their watch - something I'm sure we've all learnt to tune out years ago.
I think the paw and rollover training were really helpful for the quiet training. He recognised the same stone-faced expression. He understood he would not get what he wanted (treat or walk) unless he was sitting like a good, indeed quiet, dog.
Now he knows what quiet means. Sometimes he, like the honey badger, don't care.
Just turns out that one of my tools was predicting partially crap. With no way to predict what part was crap.
This wouldn't be a that big issue, just we have written the whole analysis on the thing already, sent it to everyone involved to give their okay, and planned to submit it somewhere.
Now we'll need to re-do freaking everything.
I'm so mad.
This wouldn't be a that big issue, just we have written the whole analysis on the thing already, sent it to everyone involved to give their okay, and planned to submit it somewhere.
Now we'll need to re-do freaking everything.
I'm so mad.
I read that, I'm far away from that, but I'm right now since 2h in panic mode 
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EDIT: I've now at least managed to start re-processing the data with a different tool, so the panic is decreasing a bit.
.EDIT: I've now at least managed to start re-processing the data with a different tool, so the panic is decreasing a bit.
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MagisterCultuum
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I just got off a video call with my sister and her kids. They seem to be doing ok. Before taking the phone downstairs to let mom and dad talk with them, my sister wanted to address why I had kept some information from her husband when she was at the hospital.
I explained that I had kept her location secret from her husband for a few hours and her patient ID secret for most of a single day on the advise of the ER doctor who said they had already suspected psychological abuse before speaking to me. That was mostly before I'd had my first chance to speak to her, but I did wait a few hours after she asked me to share it with him in order to get advise from an abuse hotline (who agreed that he seemed like an abuser but that the longer I keep a secret from him that he knows that I know the harder is is likely to try to isolate her from me).
My sister did not want to talk about any of the red flags that had made us suspect possible abuse, saying that talking about the subject just makes her nervous and is and is the opposite of helpful.
Her husband is still very upset with me and says I can never visit their home again.
Mom and dad are welcome only if they can get there on their own or find another ride.
My sister said that she has spoken to her regular psychiatrist once but not discussed anything about abuse suspicions or my conflicts with her husband yet. She said the medicines seem to have kept her stable, but that she started seeing another doctor closer to her who recommends changing to alternatives with fewer side effects.
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My best friend is moving to California tomorrow.
I explained that I had kept her location secret from her husband for a few hours and her patient ID secret for most of a single day on the advise of the ER doctor who said they had already suspected psychological abuse before speaking to me. That was mostly before I'd had my first chance to speak to her, but I did wait a few hours after she asked me to share it with him in order to get advise from an abuse hotline (who agreed that he seemed like an abuser but that the longer I keep a secret from him that he knows that I know the harder is is likely to try to isolate her from me).
My sister did not want to talk about any of the red flags that had made us suspect possible abuse, saying that talking about the subject just makes her nervous and is and is the opposite of helpful.
Her husband is still very upset with me and says I can never visit their home again.
Mom and dad are welcome only if they can get there on their own or find another ride.
My sister said that she has spoken to her regular psychiatrist once but not discussed anything about abuse suspicions or my conflicts with her husband yet. She said the medicines seem to have kept her stable, but that she started seeing another doctor closer to her who recommends changing to alternatives with fewer side effects.
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My best friend is moving to California tomorrow.
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