Random Rants Q': I protest against subtitles

[The_J]

Okay, I do realize this is possible, it's just not the average thing to happen at this age.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Okay, I do realize this is possible, it's just not the average thing to happen at this age.

Some people in the medical profession just tend to assume things based on age. That's not a smart thing, since they might miss something critical.

 

[GinandTonic]

Some people in the medical profession just tend to assume things based on age. That's not a smart thing, since they might miss something critical.

But understandable. Time with the patient and funds for tests are finite. Pluck the low hanging fruit.

 

[The_J]

It's just the most reasonable thing to do. If a 20 years old comes in with chest pain, I'll not suspect a heart attack as the very first thing. Same thing that I'll not check a woman for prostate pain, and wouldn't suspect a pregnancy in a man. It's just reasonable.


Unrelated: I made an error in an important calculation, which is now 1 off, which basically messes up all my results .
EDIT: Seems only 1 of the recent calculations is off, but that's the dataset which I'm working on, and not the validation datasets, where it wouldn't matter too much.
And obviously I had told everyone already.
Now back to the drawing board, now gonna simulate some data, to see what I need. .

 

[Valka D'Ur]

It's just the most reasonable thing to do. If a 20 years old comes in with chest pain, I'll not suspect a heart attack as the very first thing. Same thing that I'll not check a woman for prostate pain, and wouldn't suspect a pregnancy in a man. It's just reasonable.

There's a considerable difference between a sex-specific medical issue and one that could affect literally anyone.

Male doctors do tend to jump to some incorrect conclusions when dealing with female patients. Complaints of chronic nausea or menstrual difficulties or pain tend to be met with, "Could you be pregnant?" - sometimes in a very condescending tone of voice. When the answer was 'no', he then asked, "What do you want... medicine?"

His next big conclusion was that I was a drug addict, looking for a prescription for my next hit.

This happened when I was staying with a friend in Calgary and got sick while out shopping. I had no idea I was experiencing early stages of one of the chronic, lifelong conditions I now live with. But of course that SOB would rather have believed he was dealing with a pregnant junkie.

 

[The_J]

This guy being a dick is independent of the fact that some things are just a lot more common than others .

 

[Valka D'Ur]

This guy being a dick is independent of the fact that some things are just a lot more common than others .

Yes, some things are a lot more common than others. But so many medical professionals would rather jump to conclusions.

Kinda like in the areas where there are a lot of native people. There are far too many who have died because the first conclusion of the people running the emergency room is that any native person coming for help must be drunk. They get turned away, or shunted to the back of the line for emergency care without even the slightest attempt to find out what the problem is. Of course this is due to rampant bigotry in such cases, but even when they're not automatically turned away or ignored, it's a lacklustre effort to diagnose them.

 

[choxorn]

There's a considerable difference between a sex-specific medical issue and one that could affect literally anyone.

The hypothetical people in The J's post could be transgender, in which case said problems would no longer be impossible, though I'd imagine that if they were, they'd mention that to their doctors, and also that someone in their 20's having heart problems is likely a lot more common.

 

[The_J]

I had actually not considered that, but you're making again the point I tried to make.



Some things are just too complicated .
I tried to order flowers (due to lack of a better idea) for my mom's birthday, since I can't visit this year.
I want to support also the small local bussinesses, especially in these times, so I got onto google maps, looked for my home village, put the German word for flowers in it, and had a look where flower shops are. My home village has one, I knew that, but now the challenge comes: We're here in rural Germany. Which flower shop allows you to order online?
Turns out in the radius of roughly 30 km around my home village exactly 3. All others have the option to call and get suggestions, but at the end I need to pay somehow, so this is not feasible.
So I tried the first shop. Got some hiccups with the 2FA of my credit card, probably because I have to strict settings in the browser. After a bit back and forth I thought I can also try Paypal. Since I use Paypal maybe twice per year, I use a long and complicated throw-away password, which I re-set every time. Now... also Paypal has 2FA, bound to my Dutch phone number. The 2FA forwards me the Paypal page in German (no matter if I come from the German, Dutch or French website), showing the first 2 and last 4 numbers of my Dutch phone number. Without country code. No call or SMS arrives. I guess Paypal thinks it's a German phone number, obviously not going to work. Great, now I can't get into my Paypal account, unless I maybe have a Dutch IP... maybe. Okay, forget it, back to the credit card, let's fiddle around with the browser settings and delete all cookies, maybe that works. Back to the website, and... it's after 12:00, seems now they can't anymore deliver on my mom's bday, only the day after (it's not tomorrow, come on).
Okay, next shop: Only Paypal. Or bank transfer in advance. That money will not arrive from either France or the Netherlands in time.
Last shop: Can deliver 6 days a week, not on my Mom's bday.
Great.
I ended up ordering via Fleurop.

 

[Kyriakos]

I had actually not considered that, but you're making again the point I tried to make.



Some things are just too complicated .
I tried to order flowers (due to lack of a better idea) for my mom's birthday, since I can't visit this year.
I want to support also the small local bussinesses, especially in these times, so I got onto google maps, looked for my home village, put the German word for flowers in it, and had a look where flower shops are. My home village has one, I knew that, but now the challenge comes: We're here in rural Germany. Which flower shop allows you to order online?
Turns out in the radius of roughly 30 km around my home village exactly 3. All others have the option to call and get suggestions, but at the end I need to pay somehow, so this is not feasible.
So I tried the first shop. Got some hiccups with the 2FA of my credit card, probably because I have to strict settings in the browser. After a bit back and forth I thought I can also try Paypal. Since I use Paypal maybe twice per year, I use a long and complicated throw-away password, which I re-set every time. Now... also Paypal has 2FA, bound to my Dutch phone number. The 2FA forwards me the Paypal page in German (no matter if I come from the German, Dutch or French website), showing the first 2 and last 4 numbers of my Dutch phone number. Without country code. No call or SMS arrives. I guess Paypal thinks it's a German phone number, obviously not going to work. Great, now I can't get into my Paypal account, unless I maybe have a Dutch IP... maybe. Okay, forget it, back to the credit card, let's fiddle around with the browser settings and delete all cookies, maybe that works. Back to the website, and... it's after 12:00, seems now they can't anymore deliver on my mom's bday, only the day after (it's not tomorrow, come on).
Okay, next shop: Only Paypal. Or bank transfer in advance. That money will not arrive from either France or the Netherlands in time.
Last shop: Can deliver 6 days a week, not on my Mom's bday.
Great.
I ended up ordering via Fleurop.

How much money would one get if they hacked into your unusable by you paypal account?

 

[The_J]

Nothing directly, but you can direct debit from one of my accounts, so... some.
You have 0 chance though lol.

 

[Kyriakos]

Nothing directly, but you can direct debit from one of my accounts, so... some.
You have 0 chance though lol.

Maybe once I prove the twin prime conjecture, I can use the new math from that to break such codes easily and then get immunity in light of my accomplishment.
Only trick would be to not first be attacked by illiterate footsoldiers - ie avoid the fate of Archimedes.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Such as some academic trying to have Speedy Gonzalez cancelled, in spite of Mexicans liking him actually becoming a registered TVTrope.

Similarly, it is my understanding that Native Americans either don't mind or even prefer being called Indians rather than Native Americans. It's a misnomer but it's their misnomer, I guess.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Similarly, it is my understanding that Native Americans either don't mind or even prefer being called Indians rather than Native Americans. It's a misnomer but it's their misnomer, I guess.

I knew a native american who considered the term "Native American" to be an insult.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I've haven't met an Indian who cared about being called Indian and I have met many. They frequently use Indian as an adjective too. Indian land, Indian car, Indian village, Indian law, etc.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Similarly, it is my understanding that Native Americans either don't mind or even prefer being called Indians rather than Native Americans. It's a misnomer but it's their misnomer, I guess.

It depends. It seems to be a regional thing in Canada, and they seem to change their minds every so often. Some see "Indian" as a racial slur, and the same with "native" or "Native." Some see "First Nations" as okay, but the current politically correct term used in the news is "Indigenous."

I wish they'd pick a noun and adjective and stick to it.

 

[GenMarshall]

Similarly, it is my understanding that Native Americans either don't mind or even prefer being called Indians rather than Native Americans. It's a misnomer but it's their misnomer, I guess.

This may be a local/regional thing where I live. We typically call indigenous peoples by their tribal name (Pequots, Narragansetts, etc). Though in general, unless the tribe is well known (in a sense they’re well known in the public consciousness, not just federally recognized), they’re either referred to as Native American or Indian.

I agree with Valka that there needs to be a better name to refer to indigenous peoples of the Americas. Reserving Indians for people who’ve originated from the Indian Subcontinent and the Republic of India. Though I’d blame the Spanish and Portuguese explorers and conquistadors coining indigenous peoples of the Americas “Indians” and leading me to a disambiguation page on Wikipedia.

 

[Cutlass]

Similarly, it is my understanding that Native Americans either don't mind or even prefer being called Indians rather than Native Americans. It's a misnomer but it's their misnomer, I guess.

This may be a local/regional thing where I live. We typically call indigenous peoples by their tribal name (Pequots, Narragansetts, etc). Though in general, unless the tribe is well known (in a sense they’re well known in the public consciousness, not just federally recognized), they’re either referred to as Native American or Indian.

I agree with Valka that there needs to be a better name to refer to indigenous peoples of the Americas. Reserving Indians for people who’ve originated from the Indian Subcontinent and the Republic of India. Though I’d blame the Spanish and Portuguese explorers and conquistadors coining indigenous peoples of the Americas “Indians” and leading me to a disambiguation page on Wikipedia.

Charles C Mann, who wrote the books 1491 and 1493 about the European discovery of the Americas has an appendix to the books which discusses the issue. His research and interviewing with people and the conclusion he came to was that if you know the specific tribe of a person, then you can use the tribe name. But as a general term, "Indian" is the only generally accepted term for descendants of the pre-Columbian native inhabitants of the Americas. So while it is not a technically correct term, it is the only term which is generally acceptable to use to generalize indigenous inhabitants of the Americas.

 

[Takhisis]

Similarly, it is my understanding that Native Americans either don't mind or even prefer being called Indians rather than Native Americans. It's a misnomer but it's their misnomer, I guess.

It's… complicated, to say the least. There's a lot of cultural warriors here who just insist on not use the word ‘aborigine’ because they claim that it means ‘without-origin’ when it actually means ‘from (=since) the origin’ and also reinterpret ‘indigenous’ as ‘from India’, while actually it's a variant of ‘endogenous’.

In my personal experience, I don't give a crap. My ancestors decided to honour their gypsy heritage by intermingling with more or less any population they came across, so both on my mother's and my father's side I have a not-so-small portion of Indigenous blood: tl,dr some random Scotsmen came to South America in the mid-19th century, interbred with the locals, then their descendants up and moved back to the British homeland™ where they even fought in two world wars. Which ancestry doesn't stop me from fully conforming to Traitorfish's description of the typical Scotsman: very pale skin that becomes shrimp-like after half an hour in the sun, plus a very generous red-beard-growing capacity (Injuns here are stereotypically beardless). If people call me ‘indio’ I just think of them as that pathetic.

But back to the larger situation, in countries such as this one that didn't depend on a plantation economy there was not the same type of racism as there was in the U.S. The Spanish were used to intermingling from their Reconquista days and they actively promoted some of the local languages for the administration of the conquered peoples, as well as actively promoting interbreeding (mestizaje) so it's more of a classist thing. It was not wrong to be either Indian or European as long as you were of a good lineage and not a resistor. Weird, eh?
The scam basically is to support indigenism anywhere but in your own country, e.g. you can support Evo Morales because you don't have to actually live with his indigenous peoples while you can cheerfully support a local governor here who has pregnant indigenous women kidnapped, forced to undergo cæsarean births, and then sent home without the children, who are sent weeks alter, not always to the right mother, but who cares? [RANT]

 

[Kyriakos]

It's… complicated, to say the least. There's a lot of cultural warriors here who just insist on not use the word ‘aborigine’ because they claim that it means ‘without-origin’ when it actually means ‘from (=since) the origin’ and also reinterpret ‘indigenous’ as ‘from India’, while actually it's a variant of ‘endogenous’.

In my personal experience, I don't give a crap. My ancestors decided to honour their gypsy heritage by intermingling with more or less any population they came across, so both on my mother's and my father's side I have a not-so-small portion of Indigenous blood: tl,dr some random Scotsmen came to South America in the mid-19th century, interbred with the locals, then their descendants up and moved back to the British homeland™ where they even fought in two world wars. Which ancestry doesn't stop me from fully conforming to Traitorfish's description of the typical Scotsman: very pale skin that becomes shrimp-like after half an hour in the sun, plus a very generous red-beard-growing capacity (Injuns here are stereotypically beardless). If people call me ‘indio’ I just think of them as that pathetic.

But back to the larger situation, in countries such as this one that didn't depend on a plantation economy there was not the same type of racism as there was in the U.S. The Spanish were used to intermingling from their Reconquista days and they actively promoted some of the local languages for the administration of the conquered peoples, as well as actively promoting interbreeding (mestizaje) so it's more of a classist thing. It was not wrong to be either Indian or European as long as you were of a good lineage and not a resistor. Weird, eh?
The scam basically is to support indigenism anywhere but in your own country, e.g. you can support Evo Morales because you don't have to actually live with his indigenous peoples while you can cheerfully support a local governor here who has pregnant indigenous women kidnapped, forced to undergo cæsarean births, and then sent home without the children, who are sent weeks alter, not always to the right mother, but who cares? [RANT]

At least it is known, from Borges, that "there can't ever be a jewish gaucho", so some distinctions are inevitable