Rank the major candidates in according to evilness/goodness

Trump
Clinton
Rubio

Bush
Cruz
Christie

Sanders
Carson
Paul

Commodore said:
What exactly makes Trump evil though? Sure, he acts like a jackass and says some pretty douchy things, but there's nothing about him that strikes me as being overtly evil or malevolent.
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Base amoral personality that's ego-driven and highly susceptible* to corruption from power and money.

Spoiler :
His self-serving nature is more intense than average, but not extraordinarily so.


Commodore said:
Doesn't every politician do that though? The difference between Trump and other politicians is that he doesn't try to hide it. I would say that actually makes him less evil than the typical politician.
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It's not a good sign that he's able to be more open about it than his competition.
 
I care little about their goodness and/or evilness :thumbsdown:

My interest is in who will do the most to re-empower the American middle class. :thumbsup: All else is just blowing bubbles in the bathtub.
 
I honestly do not know nearly enough to make decent judgment but Clinton vs. Putin seems to promise some really good show time...
 
Commodore said:
Doesn't every politician do that though? The difference between Trump and other politicians is that he doesn't try to hide it. I would say that actually makes him less evil than the typical politician.
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You're making the mistake of thinking that hypocrisy is the greatest of all evils, when in fact it's the least of them.

Edit: I mean the greatest of all evils of which your typical politicians are guilty. I don't mean to suggest that you think hypocrisy is worse than, say, genocide.
 
My best guess:

Ted Cruz
Donald Trump
Mike Huckabee
Rick Santorum
<gap>
Jeb Bush
Marco Rubio
Chris Christie
Hilary Clinton
John Kasich
Rand Paul
Bernie Sanders
 
Based on my largely unsubstantiated judgements:

Donald Trump (pretty much an openly terrible guy in all respects, no justification needed here)
Ted Cruz
Mike Huckabee (who once rigged a statewide high school mock trial tournament, or so I heard from a competitor)
Chris Christie
[gap]
Rick Santorum
Jeb Bush
Marco Rubio
Hilary Clinton
Rand Paul
Ben Carson
[gap]
John Kasich
Martin O'Malley
[gap]
Bernie Sanders
 
Trump=Adolf Hitler
Clinton=Richard Nixon
Cruz=Joe McCarthy
(substantial gap of evilness)
Christie=Richard Daley
(vast gap of evilness)
Sanders=Jimmy Carter

I haven't figured out who these match closest to yet, but they're in the gap between Christie and Sanders:
Bush=
Rubio=
Rand=
Carson=
 
I think they can probably be split into groups of people who are complete chameleons willing to say or do anything to empower themselves, regular politicians who will embellish and distort but who have principles which they'll try to stick to, and those who are relatively honest and avoid politicking for the most part.

In the first group I'd put Cruz and Trump. I don't think I've ever seen a slimier politician than Cruz, and it's hard to believe that Trump has any degree of sincerity whatsoever.

In the middle group would probably go Clinton, Rubio, Bush, Christie & Carson. Carson's ineptitude might pass him off as going into the next category, but it appears he's trying to play the politician more than an open book.

Paul and Sanders would go into the last category. Apparently Paul has compromised more on his principles than his father did, but from watching the debates it appears that he's largely stuck to his guns, however idiotic and unpopular they are. Sanders has clearly moved towards the middle category as he's become more media-smart, and it's hard to see why his cult-like preying on the less well-off for campaign funds is seen as a good thing (it seems like those televangelist schemes), but by and large he seems to clearly be the most sincere and principled candidate. I think most people would agree with that, and just disagree with what those principles are, like with Paul.
 
I have been looking at Trump especialy since Putin endorsed him and I start liking the dude. There are better interviews with him but thats what I found right now:

Link to video.

and here is bit of Hillary vs. Trump:

Link to video.
 
Winston Hughes said:
You're making the mistake of thinking that hypocrisy is the greatest of all evils, when in fact it's the least of them.

Edit: I mean the greatest of all evils of which your typical politicians are guilty. I don't mean to suggest that you think hypocrisy is worse than, say, genocide.
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I guess it's just a matter of personal preference. I hate politicians that pretend like they are working for me and act like they're my friend, when all they really care about is either just grabbing more wealth and power or pushing through their own agenda regardless of what the people want.

At least with Trump, I know he doesn't give a wooden nickel about what's good for me or my family (or the nation for that matter). That doesn't make me want to vote for him though. In fact, it's quite the opposite. Trump makes it abundantly clear through his words and actions that I shouldn't vote for him. I wish all politicians could be that transparent with regards to their intentions and motivations.

Basically, I prefer the easily identifiable threats; and Trump is an easily identifiable threat. All the other candidates though? Not so much. Well, aside from Cruz. It's the politicians that sidle up to you, smile, and assure you that they have your back that scare the crap out of me because you can never truly be sure as to how sincere they really are.
 
So I'mma say

Ted Cruz
Rand Paul
Jeb Bush
Donald Trump
Chris Christie
Marco Rubio
Ben Carson
Hillary Clinton
Bernie Sanders

Also you only listed 9 people
 
Winston Hughes said:
You're making the mistake of thinking that hypocrisy is the greatest of all evils, when in fact it's the least of them.
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I actually do think hypocrisy is one of the greatest evils when it comes to politicians and the political process. We have a system where a presidential candidate can say that he'll do one thing until he's elected, and then turn around and do the exact opposite, and there is no legal recourse for that. If I get elected on the promise that I am going to lower taxes for the poor while raising taxes for the rich, and then once in office I cut taxes for the rich and raise taxes for the poor, tough luck, I'm already in office, you're stuck with me unless I do something actually illegal that I can be impeached for. In this regard hypocrisy is a great evil for the political process because it means that voters can never actually know who or what they are voting for, as any politician could simply be lying through their teeth and we have no recourse against that.
 
It's all relative. At least Trump tells you he is going to screw you before he does it. I love how sanders is so low like he is some god. He has been pressed to disclose how he will pay for things. The only thing he has come up with is the healthcare and that there will be a tax increase but "it will be less than the $10,000 premiums you pay for insurance".

His tax rate will be more than what I pay in insurance. So isnt it evil then when someone tells you they will help you but in turn makes you pay more than what you're paying in the first place? Isnt that what people just pointed out why trump was bad? Because he takes from you but tells you he will help you?

They are all the same.
 
Trump used NJ politicians (he bribed) and eminent domain to evict a widow from her home so he could build a garage for his limos, she fought back and won in court

hes evil and he's not even at the top of my list:

Hillary
Christie
Bush
Rubio
Cruz
Trump
Sanders
Rand
Carson
 
Sad that Rand is not getting good poll numbers. I still think that a Sanders/Paul election would already have the public as winners, but i know it won't happen. But i hope Sanders will be elected in 2016.
 
Kyriakos said:
Sad that Rand is not getting good poll numbers. I still think that a Sanders/Paul election would already have the public as winners, but i know it won't happen. But i hope Sanders will be elected in 2016.
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Rand was never going to get good poll numbers, the sad reality is that very few Americans are actually interested in smaller government, they just want to expand the government in the areas that they personally like. Candidates like Rand who are consistently smaller government never do well these days.
 
The basis of the American system is compromise, it's what the Founding Fathers built into our system.

Without compromise there's grid lock. Our system is designed to produce slow change, not revolutions.

A good leader is able to get results even when his/her party isn't in the majority. Who amongst the Repubs has done that, Christie. Maybe Bush.

Who am I for, Bush or Christie.
 
Archbob said:
So, as we draw closer to Judgement day(Primary days), we must rank all the major candidates according to the evilness/goodness. #1 is the most evil, #10 being the least evil. The contestants are(not in order here, that's for you to decide).

Madame President Hillary Clinton
Fiery self-proclaimed socialist Bernie Sanders
Donald, the Duke of Trump
Cruz, the super conservative that the GOP hates
Rubio, the anti-immigrant son of immigrants
Bush, possibly the third Bush disaster
Carson, the clueless Nuero-Surgeon
Christie, the overweight bridge-jamming governor
Rand, Son of a legend, not much himself

I don't actually think anyone really matters.
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Bernie Sanders and Rand Paul are the only ones who squeek through as passable human beings.
 
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