Rat 22 - AWE RaR large pangaea

[Greebley]

Preturn: Switch Capitol to Mill as suggested. Elephant Army are very fragile and can be killed by a attack 4 unit even at full health. Those could come anytime so Spear will need to stay on army.

IBT: Spear attacked by Catapharact (I think) but we win.

70 AD: Armies heal & wait for Spear. Raised science.

IBT: We get Naval Spirit.

90 AD: Capture Niagra Falls. We have the most culture so can handle flip issues.

IBT: Heavy Iroquois Horsman spotted. Heavy Horsemen can kill a healthy Army. Do not leave Armies unguarded Otherwise we won't have them for long. Another horse attacks a Spear.

110 AD: Have gotten several slaves (3 so far). Capture Cattaraugus.

IBT: We get Theology, Clockwork, Vassalage (last via research). We start Feudalism.

130 AD: Mostly move units about. Build new town on Iron - 4 shields on home square.

IBT: Annoying units everywhere.

150 AD: Making some Progress.

170 AD: Advancing on Capitol (Salamanca).

IBT: Lose a Spear on a Hill to an Elephant.

190 AD: Capture Salamanca but cannot keep so I abandon it.
Started FP in Samarra.

IBT: We gain Mounted Archery. Speed 3 units for us AND the enemy. We also get Stirrup.

210 AD: Our front is very long...

230 AD: Auto-raze Kahnawake

250 AD: Line up attack on Tonawanda.

Notes: I would continue going for the Iroquois in the West and Russians North and Capture all their cities. That will help our science and make our front line short compared to the number of cities.

Capitol can build a Knight every other turn.

Iroquois have less than 1/2 our culture. I would capture their cities - not raze. We don't want to shrink our home cities to build more pioneers than we need.

 

[ThERat]

the frontline will be huge and with all those fast moving units in RaR, that will be a headache for defense...I like the suggested frontlines...

got it

 

[ThERat]

save

Pre-Turn
things looks good, spot hat Polynesia has crop rotation already

1.260AD
autoraze Tonawanda after taking out 3 units, gain 1 slave

2.270AD
Polynesia must be in their GA as they make 1 turn research progress
capture Tiblisi and decide to keep it

3. 280AD
Cattaraugus comes under more pressure
we don't have a proper defender there, take out 2/3 attackers

IT lose a defender in Cattaraugus
crop rotation comes in, decide to go for alchemy and saltpeter

4 290AD
switch capital to pikes and faster growth, we really need more defenders

5.300AD
make a move towards the new Iro capital

IT Incans whom we haven't even met finish Silk road

6.310AD
need to wait for more units against Oil Springs

IT our pike gets killed by a second HA outside Oil springs

7.320AD
defeat 3 pikes in Oil springs
found Zariqum

8.330AD
defeat 2 more units and capture Oil springs

9.340AD
irrigation is progressing well
Ashur is our 2nd city with high production

10.350AD
we will get heraldry from the GL next turn and alchemy via self research
found Sippar

we have an army and some other attackers in Oil springs and can attack the western iro cities

situation in the west

New Roster:
TheRat
Empiremaker - up
Mizar - can not play before weekend
plarq
Greebley

 

[Empiremaker]

I got it. I should be able to play Saturday.

 

[Empiremaker]

My computer is having a few issues with its mouse, making Civ or any game hard to play. Mizar said that he could play on the weekend, so does he want to play. Consider me skipped for this round unless I post otherwise. Sorry.

 

[Mizar]

Ok, I got it, feels good to get a shot at this one again

 

[Mizar]

I finished this one and will post after work. I also started Mump3 and will continue tonight.

 

[Mizar]

What a progress compared to my last set when we didn't know anybody
GL and rx in all towns, very nice.
Greebley's suggested front looks good but will take some time to establish.

IT: We learn Alchemy by ourselves and Heraldry by the GL. I set to Eng. (bridging) and gunpowder
(bombards and the direction of Cuirassiers) next.
Polys start Shangri La
Our source of Elephanst disappears, a good thing we are already building knights.
An Iro settler pair moves south of Cattarougus.
A few single enemy units come into sight, seems the enemy is spread out as well.

(1) Elephant army destroys Iro city south of Oil springs (2-0)
Advance on 2 Iro cities. Damage 2 enemy units with cats, we haven't enough attackers to finish them off.

IT: At Oil Springs a Iro horse archer dies thanks to the defense bombardement of the cat. (3-0)
The Polys land a crossbowman on the east coast.

(2) Kill the Poly bow with an elephant.
Begin attack on Aweksasne and kill the first 2 defenders (6-0)

IT: The Vikings lose 2 elephants and another unknown units at Zariqum, also another elephant at Tiblisi (10-0)
4 Chinese Heavy Horsemen advance in the east near Tsingtao.

(3) Hm, Akwsasne is extremly strong defended, kill 2 defenders but army cann't take the city.
It is also size 1 so maybe Iros are whiping like crazy.
Kill also 2 Viking units and a russian longbow. (15-0)

IT: Iros lose a horse archer at Oil Springs, another stops outside.
Now there are 5 Chinese Horsemen! near Kish.

(4) Kill 2 of the 5 Horsemen near Kish.
Elephant army captures Mauch Chunk on the western coast, held by 2 defenders.
Nearly lose! an elephant by finishing of the Iro Horse archer neat Oil springs.
Destroy Chondote, the new city the Iros built in the south, we had not enough units to capture the settler. (21-0)

IT: 2 of the Chinese are ready to attack, one loses against a pike but the other kills a healing Elephant
we still have not enough troops for such a huge front (22-1)

(5) We finish of the last 2 Chinese Heavy Horsemen and a Jap spear that was running around near Zariqum
Finally, we have enough knights to attack and take Moscow, defeating 3 spears. (28-1)
Armies are healing this turn.

IT: I made a miscalculation at the chinese front, another 2 Heavy horsemen come out of Tsingtao and kill an elephant
I used for the counterattack last turn, my fault.
An Iro horse archer dies at Oil springs (30-2)
Engineering finally comes in, this is a relief because all this rivers were a real pain for troop movements.
Set to gunpowder.

(6) Darn, Iros must have whiped Akwesasne again size 1, so the city is autorazed, killed 2 defenders.
This is not so good but no alternative. (32-2)
We have not enough settlers to fill the available land and every city we capture saves a lot of shields.
Change some builds to settlers.
Lots of troop shuffling, knights heal in Moscow.
At Odessa, the russian city north of Zariqum, some Poly and Viking foot units close in.

IT: Chinese Horsemen dies at Kish. (33-2)
Incas finish Sun, Egypt starts Leo.
We get Chivalry, Scientific Method, Guils and Usury from the GL, very nice

(7) The bad news, all visible Iro cities are size 1, I decide not to attack them yet, we gain little in razing the cities
and we haven't enough settlers to replace. Prepare for the attack of Odessa and for the incoming units.

IT: Astronomy from the GL.
A Chinese Shoni (seems to be a 4/1/3 Horse archer) and a heavy Horsemen NE of Kish again.

(8) We kill the two spears at Odessa and capture the city together with 3 new slaves.
Also kill of the annoying 2 Chinese units (37-2)

IT: Iro Horse archer stops near Oil Spring

(9) We found Izibia on the southern coast.
Kill 3 Poly foot units and the Iro Horse archer, the later giving us my first leader (41-2)
My suggestion would be a chavalier army.

Stop here to let the next player decide on the advance. As stated, all visible Iro cities are size 1,
so we could raze or consolidate our current holdings and wait some turns, eventually a few of them will grow,
but I'm not 100% sure. Please check MM, Babylon need happines badly.


Chinese come this way, speed 2 and 3 units.

Iro front

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/113243/Rat22_440AD.SAV

 

[Greebley]

Looks like a good turn. I agree that razing the cities isn't very useful if we have nothing to replace it with, though we don't want to pause for too long.

We do need settlers, it would also be nice to push ahead to the east where the continent is thinnest.

 

[ThERat]

seems we need plenty of settlers here, no choice. Let's push the Iro's back where we can
It would be nice to grab that tea near Moscow as an added lux

New Roster:
TheRat
Empiremaker - auto skipped for now
Mizar
plarq - up
Greebley

 

[plarq]

I'm up. Incense is another bonus. We may need Monastery.

 

[plarq]

IHT: Rushed Royal Tournament in Oil Springs. As long as we don't have Jurisprudence, it will produce Amphibious Ansars every 12 turns. We can hold off our research before Jurisprudence. Lots of war techs and Humanism are ahead. Declare on backward Germany.

IBT: Viking Elephant and Chinese Horse Archer impale themselves before our Knights. (2-0)

Turn 1: Navigation is in GL. Polynesia has Education. Kill Iroquois Spear and Tribal and capture the city NE of Odessa. Near Odessa, our Elephant army killed a Polynesian Crossbow and a Shaolin. A knight retreats, and the other kills an Axeman. (7-0)

IBT: Education is in. Angkor is built by Inca.

Turn 2: Lose one Knight against Chinese Heavy Horseman, another two Knights revenged for him and kill two Heavy Horseman in Chinese Front (9-1). Near Odessa, Elephant army blitz three Japanese Champions, a Knight kills another Japanese Otomo Archer, Elephant kills an Egyptian archer near Oka.(14-1)

IBT: Lose another Knight to a Chinese Horse Archer (14-2), Gunpowder is in. Matchlock in 7 turns.

Turn 3: Kills the invading Horse Archer. Another Knight kills a Japanese Champ near Odessa and another MGL! (16-2) Build an army in Odessa.
Iroquois city doesn't grow. I lose my patience and raze Centralia, killing two units. (18-2)

IBT: Chinese Heavy Horseman gathered in northern front. Japanese Otomo and Champ invading.

Turn 4: Massacre Japanese backward military, killing 4 units. Kills an Iroquois Longbow, a Polynesian Shaolin, and a Viking Axe. (25-2) Decide to build a Pike army.

IBT: Nothing.

Turn 5: Kill Polynesian and Viking invaders near Odessa. (27-2) Kills a Pike in Oka, an Egyptian elpehant near Oka. (29-2)

IBT: An Egyptian Mujihad kills our knight near Oka, then an Iroquois Ghost Dancer almost kills our Elephant army to 1hp. (30-3)

Turn 6: Raze Oka. Pursuit the Mujihad and kills him. Another Iroquois unit died in our tundra coast. (33-3) Elephant army retreats.

IBT: A lone knight defends against archer, but succumb to Egyptian Elephant. (34-4) Japan plant a new city on the iron W of Odessa.

Turn 7: Elephant army fight in St. Regis, killing two defenders and yellow-lined. In Chinese front, trade one elephant for three heavy horseman. (39-5)

IBT: Another Chinese Heavy Horseman commit suicide, promoting our Knight. (40-5) Odessa front is getting complicated. Egyptian, Polynesian fast units and Japanese backward army is marching inside our territory. Egypt and Polynesia has Map Making.

Turn 8: Chinese horse and Elephant approaches Moscow. Murdered three more Japanese units and a Iroquois Longbow. (44-5)

IBT: Viking elephant kills a Pikeman, Chinese Heavy Horseman commit suicide against a Pike. (45-6) Research on Banking.

Turn 9: Meet Inca, he's up Physics and Map Making, down Gunpowder.

Kill an Egyptian Elephant near Oil Springs, lose one. (46-7).
In China Front, we kill one Chinese HH and two Germans. (49-7)
In Odessa-St.Regis Front, A Polynesian Shaolin got the karma. Pinned a Viking Elephant and Jap Tribal. (52-7)

IBT: What a terrible Interlude! We almost lose two cities! A Viking Axe amphibiously assaulted a city held by a single Elephant, and a red-lined Egyptian elephant suicidally assaulted Oil Springs. Luckily, RNG stands with us. We loses an Elite* Elephant but another Egyptian IG commit suicide against pike. Lots of Egyptian elephants and several Imperial Guard arrive in the empty former Iroquois land. (55-8)

Turn 10: We defeat two Chinese units in the north. (57-8)

IBT: Watching Egyptian Elephant SOD passes by. Cleopatra trade one elephant with our pike. (58-9)

Turn 11: Annihilated Elephant SOD (64-9), neutralize an landing (65-9), clean Incan in the former Iroquois town W to Moscow. (66-9)

Summary: Our Iroquois flank is rather weak against massive invasion of Egyptian elephants.

Only Inca and Egypt has adequate strength against our military.

Science: We will beeline to Absolute Monarchy, can pre-build Encyclopedia now. Egypt, Inca and Polynesia are advanced.

Note: A hardy is hiding in Larsa.

 

[ThERat]

things are still looking good, as long as the sphinx is still in operation, we are pretty safe. Once it expires, we need a lot of raxes or garrison's. we might want to build some already.

I also think the prebuild has to start soon to bag GL2

New Roster:
TheRat
Empiremaker - auto skipped for now
Mizar
plarq
Greebley - up

 

[Greebley]

Ok, I got it.

We need to keep the elephant armies covered by a pike or two at all times or we will lose them. That is why defense 1 armies are such a pain - too fragile to exist on their own.

 

[plarq]

In my turns, the cannon fodder of the elephant army dies, and the elephant army is almost killed.

Pre-build Estate Building in Babylon, Palace in Ashur.

 

[Greebley]

ThERat,
I was too tired to play tonight and can't play until thursday or friday at the earliest. Why don't you go ahead and take it, and I will play after you.

 

[ThERat]

ok, Greebley, will play tonight and swap with you

 

[ThERat]

save

Pre-Turn
will peel off a settler from our capital as it is at max pop and growing very fast

IT some enemy units approach, but no attacks

1.560AD
defeat 3 attackers including a settler pair, I feel we are very low on units
especially the front line cities

IT more enemy units streaming in from the north
we get banking

2.570AD
with the help of both elephant armies, manage to clear 7 units

IT lose exposed rider, more units show up, a settler pair lands behind our lines

3. 580AD
manage to defeat 4 units and th settler pair, but cannot get rid of all units

IT we go 3:1 on defense, but the west sees influx of more units

4. 590AD
defeat 4 units including a settler pair

IT no attacks this time

5.600AD
defeat 4 units

IT go 1:1 in the west, we need more units there
our capital gets a guild hall for more shields, starts prebuild

6.610AD
defeat 6 units, but lose a cavalier against a mounted unit

IT the wounded mounted unit actually attacks Kish and almost takes the town...
we get political philo, absolutism next in 5

7.620AD
found Nimrud in the east
defeat 5 units, situation is getting better in the east, much less Egyptian units

8.630AD
defeat 3 units

IT I shouldn't have said a thing, we get amphibiously attacked and almost lose Izibia leaving a 1hp phant
lose a pike and win one

9.640AD
attack, defeat 2 then lose against a templar
defeat another 4 units

IT wounded templar suicides

10.1856AD
take out a mere unit

realize that Incas got some cash, attack and take Ancon for 200+ gold

absolutism comes in 2, next player to judge whether we can afford a few turns of anarchy, I would try and go for that
Babylon is on a prebuild for the Estates General
Ashur is on a prebuild for th encyclopedia

there is a settler ready to settle south of Oil Springs

 

[Greebley]

Ok I got it and will play thurs or fri.

 

[plarq]

We replaced former Iroquois, that's wonderful. In my turn set, these public roads are a nightmare of our units.