Realpolitik CIV - An Interactive AAR

[Captain Fargle]

I think with the Prophecy Thing, Mech is referring to me and certain events on chat.

 

[Whosit]

Seeing what Whosit is doing with Antium (2 promotion catapult pump) I agree. We're not charasmatic anyway so it should work out better this way. Long term there are more then 2 national wonders for troops so two cities will work. (Later there is the free medic Nwonder and the +4xp Nwonder)

Well, we actually are Charismatic (and Protective), but 2-promotion Catapults are better in my opinion than 3-promo Knights, but only slightly. And only because we're really, really going to have to rely on the siege, I think.

The Aposalistic Palace has been built in a foriegn land... Hopefully it is Jewish or Hindu, A True Buddist bloc would be catastrophic.

- Ravus

All I know is that it's not Buddhist, since LH said there was a call to stop trading with Peter.

Edit: @Fargle: Oh, right. Well, and, no, we're probably in no position to go to war. But I hope to put us in such a position.

 

[Lighthearter]

Spoiler :

Territory Maps:

Diplomacy:

Palace Resolution:

This turnset worked out well. We got 170 gold from selling Literature to Khan and Calendar to Shaka, and we also got the Carthaginian world map + Paper for Guilds. We sold Guilds to Peter for Philosophy and Drama. We immediately charged Education>Liberalism and nailed it first, swiping Nationalism and then starting on Military Tradition. We gained another tech in there, I'll look back in to check what later. We are at the #1 spot on the score sheet and #8 on the tech list. We have a good-sized army and can support a 60% research rate with income and a 70% with a very comfortable loss rate.

The Russians and Vikings invade Ireland!
After a peace was initially signed, the Russians and the Irish seemed to have abandoned their war. However, Peter and Ragnar worked together to seize Ireland in a surprise invasion. Now the Khan's Resistance Front(KRF) is taking to the hills to fight the occupation and the Khan himself in seeking asylum from the Russian occupiers. Should we turn him away? Should we declare war on the Russians and Vikings for intervening in our sphere? Should we covertly supply the KRF in the hopes they can turn the tide? Or shall we sit in our Isle and leave the invaders to their business?

Statehood?
On a more mundane note, Switzerland and Germany have applied for statehood in the English Republic - should we allow them?

- Lighthearter

 

[mechaerik]

This is an outrage! The Russians are occupying British territory! We must declare war on them!


Also, what do you mean by statehood?

 

[W|M]

I support giving asylum to Mongol refugees.

 

[Spectrite]

Covertly support the KRF. No open declaration of war. It's completely unnecessary. Even if we didn't get steamrolled by Viking/Russian troops in Europe, we wouldn't be able to do anything offensively.

 

[Darth Caesar]

Whoa we control Rome! Did I miss something?

 

[Whosit]

I have to say that it's nice to know that we've jumped to #1 in score, although that is surely due to all the land and population we acquired from Rome. We can do better on the tech.

Military Tradition isn't a terrible choice. I didn't suggest a tech beyond Liberalism because I didn't realize we'd get there so fast! We have to make sure that we have Gunpowder so that we can start building Cuirassiers, a good step up from Knights. Oh, and for Muskets. I also think that it would be a good time, well, soon, to switch to Nationalism for Drafting.

One thing I failed to consider is setting up a Globe Theatre city: A city with a huge food bonus that will allow near-constant drafting without a happiness penalty. We may want to convert one of our cities. Amsterdam could probably do, but we'll need Drama and several Theatres to unlock the National Wonder.

Just for clarification: Are we through the whole 30 turns, meaning that elections are upon us, or are there still some turns to go? Nevermind, I see that it was 15 turns.

The Ireland Issue: We should provide political asylum to Khan and any refugees who make it to our shores, but I think that it would be unwise to support the KRF in any capacity. Besides the risk that it will anger the Norse/Russian bloc, we will most likely be using up resources that would be better spent preparing for an all-out, conventional war. We will get revenge, but only when we can fight on our terms.

Statehood: Assuming you mean "Vassal States," absolutely not. Assuming you mean "independent government," absolutely not. Allowing our provinces to fragment will only weaken us at a time when firm rule is most important.

Just a couple more notes, Lighthearter: Birmingham needs to work the plains farms for the extra hammers, not the coastal tiles! Making sure that our Heroic Epic city is producing the most hammers possible is of CRITICAL importance. It's also hard to tell from the still screens, but is Birmingham working the mines I noted, too?

Also, Antium has one more hill that needs a mine. Gotta maximize production in our military cities.

Nitpicks aside (though the Birmingham issue is a BIG one), it looks like you ran a very good set. Once all those Stock Exchanges finish (I forgot that they were our UB), we should be rolling in cash, relatively speaking (in practice, it just means we can afford to keep the tech slider higher). Meeting new people is probably nice. Hopefully some trade opportunities there. We'll probably want to get something better than Archers on the home island now that Russia/Vikings are our neighbors. Anyway, overall, looks good.

Whoa we control Rome! Did I miss something?

Yes. At the start of my term, I successfully negotiated for Caesar's complete surrender and the annexation of remaining Roman territory.

 

[MathNerd]

Whosit accurately summed up my thoughts. Thanks!

LH: What did you mean by states? Vassals? Ind. Government? Something else altogether?

 

[Captain Fargle]

Okay, now seems like a good time to announce this.

I knew this was coming.

I've already offered Khan Political Asylum in my Castle in Scotland.

 

[Celticfury]

This has been an interesting turn of events. I see the tech trades worked beautifully. Glad to see England's fortune finally turn around (minus to invasion of Ireland, of course).

I support asylum for any and all Irish/Mongol refugees.

Speaking of which, Iceland has not been captured, correct?

 

[Aysee]

I support asylum. No open declaration of war. Covertly support the KRF.

Oh yeah: Why would we adopt Beauro Whosit? Why not Vassalage?

Nationhood is good; as for the statehood, if it means independancy, no, vassalage, no, annexation, yes.

 

[Gruekiller]

I am outraged at the actions of the Russians and Vikings. These vile northerners should be taught not to interfere in England's sphere of influence. I fully support granting Irish refugees asylum in England.

On this statehood business: you mean the geographical regions of Germany and Switzerland that we gained from Rome, right? If they want statehood and meet the required population levels etc, I see no reason why not. If you mean the civ Germany, then no.

 

[MathNerd]

IMO, refuge would be the only smart move ATM.

 

[Whosit]

I support asylum. No open declaration of war. Covertly support the KRF.

Oh yeah: Why would we adopt Beauro Whosit? Why not Vassalage?

Nationhood is good; as for the statehood, if it means independancy, no, vassalage, no, annexation, yes.

I was a bit torn between Vassalage and Bureau, but I went with Bureau for two reasons: I only expected 2 of our cities to be producing troops, and I believed that we need the financial boost of Bureau to help get our economy get back on track.

Nationhood will be nice for the Drafting, no upkeep, and possibly the +2 happy from Barracks. We won't get much out of the +25% EP since we don't have many EP producing buildings, but oh well.

We may also want to decide if Free Religion is a good Civic to switch to. We have yet to convert a single AI to Christianity, yet we can get a small happiness bonus from FR, and also the +10% beaker bonus in all cities, which will further help our economy (especially considering that we'll be leaving Bureau. It will also mean that the religion penalty will go away.

 

[ilduce349]

I support free religion. But we should still mass missionaries

 

[MathNerd]

I also support FR greatly.

 

[Captain Fargle]

Phew, I was worried that everyone would be trying to lynch me for granting political asylum to fugitive from our most dangerous enemies. Turns out you're all in favour of it. That's good to know.

 

[W|M]

FR is good.

 

[Celticfury]

Free Religion sounds like a pretty good idea. The tech bonus would certainly be helpful, plus it would boost foreign relations. I do think that a small missionary movement would still be beneficial. It would also better placate the Italian territories.

Nationalism does sound like a decent idea, so long as we can make up for our lost revenue elsewhere.