Recession Watch: March

:) I was being sarcastic. "Certain" posters seem unwilling to acknowledge that Russia (along with other export driven economies) is in a particularly dire situation. They claim that, because it has so much natural resources (oil, gas, etc) that it is immune, or at least less susceptible, to the economic downturn. But, in fact, because it has so much natural resources, it is acutely susceptible to the economic downturn in the West.

Ah, I see. Excuse me one moment.
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Yeah, I'd say they are more susceptible, as any emerging economy is (see Asia 1997), but they have more to be susceptible with, in a way, meaning they may not end up being worse off due to it. Of course, they may, but if their contingency plans (Russian Stabilization Fund) work, then they should, theoretically, be fine. 'Tis what the contingency plans are for.
 
If this is referring to me, I have never said Russia isnt vulnerable, at least I certaintly dont remember saying so
 
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The February figures were even worse for many countries. Japan: -50 %. The Russian figures otoh were better, IIRC.
 
UK economy shrinking rapidly

From Guardian

New figures on the UK economy show that it fell even deeper into recession in the fourth quarter of last year than first thought, piling the pressure on the prime minister.

Revised data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) showed that gross domestic product shrank by 1.6% in the last three months of 2008, rather than the 1.5% previously reported. Worse than previously expected output in construction and services was blamed for the downward revision.


It is the worst performance since the second quarter of 1980 and confirms Britain is in the middle of a deep downturn following a contraction of 0.7% in the third quarter of last year and zero growth in the second.

The annual decline was also revised lower, to 2% from 1.9% previously, the worst since 1991.

Opposition politicians claimed the data was another blow to Gordon Brown's authority.

The shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, Philip Hammond, said: "Far from being better prepared for the recession as Brown told us, the UK economy is shrinking more than the United States, and faster than in the previous recession."

The Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman, Vince Cable, added: "These figures confirm just how hopelessly optimistic the government's assessment of the state of the economy has been.

"Gordon Brown has become his own worst nightmare, presiding over a fall in the UK economy not seen since the dark days of the last Tory recession."

The breakdown of the data also showed a big jump in the so-called savings ratio - the amount households save rather than spend - probably resulting from the big cuts in interest rates in recent months which have improved cash flow to some people.

It also showed that destocking by firms hit a record £4.2bn in the three-month period. The running down of stocks by firms is always a key part of a recession and usually has to run its course before firms are ready to boost production again.

"Inventory shedding in the UK economy is well under way," said Philip Shaw, chief economist at Investec bank.

"It is somewhat more advanced than in other industrialised economies. Hence we are very sceptical of the IMF's claim that the British economy will contract by 3.8% this year and that it faces a worse downturn than the majority of its competitors."

Economists fear the current quarter could show an even deeper contraction after retail sales data on Thursday showed the biggest drop for 14 years, suggesting that consumer spending overall has flagged in the face of tens of thousands of job losses.

Separate data from the Land Registry today suggested that the housing market remains in freefall. It said prices in England and Wales fell by 2% in February, from January, leaving them 16.5% down from a year earlier. The average house price is now down to £153,862.

"While latest mortgage approvals data suggest that housing market activity may have bottomed out and survey evidence indicates that buyer enquiries have picked up significantly recently as people are attracted by lower house prices and the Bank of England slashing interest rates, we remain sceptical that sales will pick up substantially anytime soon and put a floor under prices," said Howard Archer, economist at IHS Global Insight.

The Bank of England's chief economist, Spencer Dale, said in a speech this morning that the economy would probably recover at the end of 2009 but the risks were weighted to the downside and policymakers may need to take more action.

"As we go through 2009, I believe that it is most likely the pace at which output is contracting will ease and that we will see some signs of recovery by around the turn of this year," he told an Association of British Insurers conference.

"I think the risks around this central path are weighted to the downside, reflecting the possibility that the actions taken by the authorities around the world to improve the availability of credit and to restore business and consumer confidence are slow to take effect. So there may still be more to do."

The Bank has already cut interest rates to a record low of 0.5% and has started flooding the economy with cash through quantitative easing.

Dale said it was too early to say whether the easing was having the desired effect but he said there were some "good signs".

But consultancy Capital Economics issued new research predicting that government borrowing could shoot up to £200bn in the fiscal year 2009/10 and then stay at that elevated level for five years
 
But here's news from Germany: inflation in march y-o-y is at 0.5 %. Even food prices only rose 0.4 %.
 
:) I was being sarcastic. "Certain" posters seem unwilling to acknowledge that Russia (along with other export driven economies) is in a particularly dire situation. They claim that, because it has so much natural resources (oil, gas, etc) that it is immune, or at least less susceptible, to the economic downturn in the West. But, in fact, because it has so much natural resources, it is acutely susceptible to the economic downturn in the West.

There were at least a couple of occasions where trading had been halted on the MICEX last fall.

http://www.russiatoday.com/Business...econd_day_as_initial_recovery_turns_sour.html
 
From Fox Business

What if the economy got much worse?

That single question has been the driving force behind the evaporation of trillions of dollars from the stock market and the loss of millions of jobs. Worries that the 16-month recession could transform into a depression have led cash-strapped consumers to stop spending and regulators to press for more government action.

Despite those fears, most economists say a depression seems unlikely given a slew of unprecedented actions already taken over the past year by Washington.

Since the recession began in December 2007, the Federal Reserve has vastly expanded its balance sheet and cut rates to the lowest levels on record while lawmakers have signed off on trillions of dollars in spending.

“If the government had not done what they’ve done so far, we would be in a depression now,” said Gary Clyde Hufbauer, an economist at the Peterson Institute for International Economics and a former Treasury official.

Of greater concern, economists say, is that the U.S. will be mired in a Japanese-style “lost decade” where there is little to no growth.

“If we had a decade where we had very little growth we’d have millions [more] homeless. It would be a dire situation,” said Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, who thinks the chances of a lost decade are significantly greater than a depression.

Varying Views on Doomsday

Economics is an inexact science so it’s not surprising opinions differ greatly the chances of an economic catastrophe. While Hufbauer and Baker said they see the likelihood of a depression at no more than 15%, Douglas Elliott of the liberal-leaning Brookings Institution said it’s even more remote.

“We would have to have extremely bad luck and make a lot of mistakes,” said Elliott, who put the odds at less than 1%.

And given that the Dow Jones Industrial Average has surged 21% in 13 days -- its fastest such rise since 1938 -- it’s clear Wall Street isn’t betting a depression is likely. New economic reports on new home sales and manufacturing have also led some to wonder if the recession may soon stop getting worse.

Others are far more pessimistic.

“My analysis indicates that something like a depression is more likely than not,” said James Rickards, senior managing director for market intelligence at Omnis Inc.

Rickards based his assessment on his belief that the painful deleveraging process is only 25% complete and worries about unintended consequences stemming from monetary and fiscal policy.

Warning Signs

While opinions vary, there is a general consensus that the chances of a depression are greater now than they have been in decades. And experts agree there are clear warning signs that would precede a depression. Hufbauer said to watch the emerging markets, in particular China, which some hope will lead the world out of a recession.

If China’s gross domestic product grew just 2% “that would be quite depressing worldwide,” he said.

Others worry the financial crisis could worsen significantly if the populist furor erupting in Washington inhibits future emergency spending.

At the same time, consumer spending could plunge even further if the stock market suffered another meltdown.

“Consumers are panicked. Let’s face it. They are increasing their savings but they could do a lot more belt tightening,” said Hufbauer.

Rickards, by far the most bearish of the group, said he is watching for a rapid rise in gold, which is often used as a fear gauge and a hedge against inflation.

A depression could also be caused by another leg down in the nation’s already-weak housing market, which would put more pressure on the teetering financial sector.

Japanese Experience Looms

While many see a depression as unlikely, a so-called “lost decade” could very well be in the cards.

The model for a lost decade is the 1990s in Japan, where a financial crisis caused by an asset bubble lingered and infected the rest of the economy, leading to very little or no growth.

“It could haunt the whole Obama administration,” said Hufbauer, who sees at least a one in three chance of a lost decade.
President Barack Obama seems acutely aware of this danger. Defending government spending, Obama told a joint session of Congress that inaction “could result in an economy that sputters along for not months or years, but perhaps a decade…I refuse to let that happen.”

More Stimulus?

“A lost decade is probably the best outcome we can expect,” said Rickards, who called for eliminating the capital gains tax and corporate income tax.

Elliott was significantly more optimistic, saying he sees only a 10% chance for a lost decade.

One way to prevent a lost decade would be with another dose of stimulus in the $300 billion to $400 billion range, said Baker, who said the measure passed earlier this year was designed for a more modest recession.

Baker isn’t alone, as 43% of economists recently surveyed by The Wall Street Journal predicted another $500 billion stimulus will be needed.

While the specter of a lost decade has spooked policymakers, many Americans may already be expecting weak growth in the future.

“I think the common expectation is tough times ahead for quite a long horizon,” said Hufbauer, adding that such thinking can often be “self-fulfilling.”

any thought or comments on this article? do you think a lost decade could happen to the whole world?
 
RedRalphWiggum said:
any thought or comments on this article? do you think a lost decade could happen to the whole world?

Speak for your own depression ridden country! The Australian Government shall continue to save us with ineptitude and handouts! In other words yes.
 
I've been a bit delinquent on the indicators watch, but here are two BEA reports:

GDP - 2008 Q4 - FINAL

EMBARGOED UNTIL RELEASE AT 8:30 A.M. EST, THURSDAY, MARCH 26, 2009

GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT: FOURTH QUARTER 2008 (Final)
Corporate Profits, Fourth quarter 2008

Real gross domestic product -- the output of goods and services produced by labor and property located in the United States -- decreased at an annual rate of 6.3 percent in the fourth quarter of 2008, (that is, from the third quarter to the fourth quarter), according to final estimates released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the third quarter, real GDP decreased 0.5 percent.

The GDP estimates released today are based on more complete source data than were available for the preliminary estimates issued last month. In the preliminary estimates, the decrease in real GDP was 6.2 percent (see "Revisions" on page 3).

The decrease in real GDP in the fourth quarter primarily reflected negative contributions from exports, personal consumption expenditures, equipment and software, and residential fixed investment that were partly offset by a positive contribution from federal government spending. Imports, which are a subtraction in the calculation of GDP, decreased.

Most of the major components contributed to the much larger decrease in real GDP in the fourth quarter than in the third. The largest contributors were a downturn in exports and a much larger decrease in equipment and software. The most notable offset was a much larger decrease in imports.



Personal Income, February 2009

EMBARGOED UNTIL RELEASE AT 8:30 A.M. EDT, FRIDAY, MARCH 27, 2009

PERSONAL INCOME AND OUTLAYS
February 2009

Personal income decreased $29.1 billion, or 0.2 percent, and disposable personal income (DPI) decreased $10.5 billion, or 0.1 percent, in February, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. Personal consumption expenditures (PCE) increased $17.2 billion, or 0.2 percent. In January, personal income increased $20.5 billion, or 0.2 percent, DPI increased $164.6 billion, or 1.6 percent, and PCE increased $94.8 billion, or 1.0 percent, based on revised estimates.

Real disposable income decreased 0.4 percent in February, in contrast to an increase of 1.3 percent in January. Real PCE decreased 0.2 percent, in contrast to an increase of 0.7 percent. The price index for PCE increased 0.3 percent, the same increase as in January

Compensation of employees

Private wage and salary disbursements decreased $29.9 billion in February, compared with a decrease of $27.1 billion in January. The January change in private wages and salaries was reduced by an adjustment of $20.0 billion (at an annual rate) for smaller-than-usual bonus payments. This type of irregular payment is not accounted for in the primary monthly source data for wages and salaries. The adjustment to January wages was derived from state government estimates based on tax data and from other sources. (The negative $20.0 billion adjustment was also made to the February estimate, and a similar adjustment will be made to March.) Goods-producing industries' payrolls decreased $12.6 billion, compared with a decrease of $14.3 billion; manufacturing payrolls decreased $5.1 billion, compared with a decrease of $10.9 billion. Services-producing industries' payrolls decreased $17.2 billion, compared with a decrease of $12.8 billion.
 
Yahoo! News

LONDON (AFP) – Hungarian-born billionaire George Soros said on Saturday that it is "conceivable" that Britain would have to resort to a bailout from the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

"It's conceivable," Soros said in an interview with The Times. "You have a problem that the banking system is bigger than the economy... so for Britain to absorb it alone would really pile up the debt."

Soros said that "if the banking system continued to collapse, it's (an IMF bailout) a possibility but it's not a likelihood."

The man who made one billion dollars on short-selling sterling on 'Black Wednesday' in 1992 described the current recession as a "once-in-a-lifetime event", particularly in Britain.

"This is a crisis unlike any other. It's a total collapse of the financial system with tremendous implications for everyday life.

"On previous occasions when you had a crisis that was threatening the system the authorities intervened and did whatever was necessary to protect the system. This time they failed."

He said he feared the problem in Britain, with its huge financial and banking interests, could be greater than in the United States.

"American memory is seared by the Depression, the German memory is seared by hyperinflation but Britain has a pretty serious problem in many ways worse than America because the financial sector looms bigger and the overvaluation of real estate is bigger than in America."

Soros said the G20 summit in London next week was the world's last chance to avert economic disaster, but he was not optimistic of a breakthrough in efforts to spur the global economy into recovery.

"The odds would favour that it fails because there are such differences of opinion. It's difficult enough to get it right in your own country let alone with 20 governments coming together, but if it's a failure I think then the global financial and trading system falls apart," he said.

"It's really a make-or-break occasion. That's why it's so important."

Increasing IMF funding to allow it to intervene to help troubled economies is one of the main issues on the G20 agenda.
 
sigh. Xarthas, you're quoting Gunnar but you're not understanding what he is saying, and you're applying it wrong. You HAVE to get beyond copying/pasting from mises. Think!
 
From Guardian

Global stockmarkets tumbled today as fears that the US car industry might go bust crushed hopes that the economic crisis might be easing.

Shares fell in Europe and across Asia, ending their recent rally, after the Obama administration rejected turnaround plans from ailing carmakers General Motors and Chrysler. Fears that this week's G20 summit in London might not deliver a rescue plan for the world economy also added to the gloom, as did the collapse of a Spanish bank.

The US government's taskforce for the auto industry shocked investors overnight with the suggestion that a quick surgical bankruptcy might be the best chance for the companies to survive. The news came as Spain was forced to ride to the rescue of the regional savings bank Caja Castilla La Mancha - the country's first banking bailout since the financial crisis began.

In London, the FTSE 100 index fell by 2.8% in early trading, shedding 109.81 points as it dropped to 3789.04.

Petra Kerssenbrock, an analyst at Commerzbank, said today's losses showed that the stockmarket rally seen during the last three weeks was not sustainable, and that the crisis was far from over.

"We saw a decent bear market rally, but this is still a bear market," she said. "Taking profits is the name of the game today."

The World Bank forecast today that Russia's economy would shrink by 4.5% this year, a sharp reversal of its previous 3% growth forecast made in November which assumed higher oil prices. "As the crisis continues to spread to the real economy around the world, initial expectations that Russia and other countries will recover fast are no longer likely," the World Bank said.

European shares tumbled this morning, with the FTSEurofirst 300 index of top European shares down 3.03%. Carmakers were among the biggest losers: Daimler was down 6.4%, Fiat lost 4.6% and BMW tumbled 5.7%. "A failure of General Motors would be negative for the other carmakers, as it would drag along a large number of suppliers," said Heino Ruland of Ruland Research.

This followed sharp declines in Asian stockmarkets, with Tokyo's Nikkei tumbling 4.5% to 8236.08, a fall of 390.89 points. The fall erased more than half of the Nikkei's 8.6% gain last week.

Hong Kong's Hang Seng lost 4.8% to 13,440.72 while Singapore's Straits Times index fell 4.68% to 1663.92.

"The fact that there's still a chance of GM going bankrupt is shocking," said Takashi Ushio of Marusan Securities.

US futures indicated that US stockmarkets would also open lower, with the Dow Jones seen down 2.7%.

The pound fell on continued worries over the UK economy, after government figures showed on Friday that Britain sank even deeper into recession in the fourth quarter of last year than first thought. Sterling traded down 1.1% against the dollar at $1.4167.
 
HCPI in Spain: -0,1 % in March y-o-y. Looks like Spain is first to enter deflation.
 
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=asbiybVqsYC0
Commentary by Kevin Hassett

March 30 (Bloomberg) -- Criminals know that people who are distracted might forget to keep an eye on their valuables. It’s just happened to us as a nation.

We have all been so busy whining about bonuses at American International Group Inc. and arguing about the so-called card- check legislation that we forgot to watch the Social Security surplus. While we were looking away, that surplus disappeared, eight years ahead of schedule.

Something extraordinarily important was revealed in mid- March and received almost no news coverage. If you typed in the words “Social Security” on Google’s news service last Friday, the top hit was a New York story about a man who kept his dead mother in a freezer ever since she died back in 2007, just so he could continue to collect her benefit checks.

Almost as gruesome is the news about Social Security’s finances. Social Security has for years been the near-term bright spot in the federal budget. Each year the program has raised $50 billion to $100 billion more in payroll taxes than it paid out in benefits. Sure, deficits were expected far off in the future, but the current program was on sound financial footing.

Those days are, for the moment at least, behind us. According to the latest Congressional Budget Office estimate, the Social Security surplus will be only $3 billion in 2010. That number is almost surely too rosy, and the actual realization next year will be a big deficit. In February, according to data from the Social Security Office of the Actuary, the program paid out more in benefits than it collected in taxes and interest combined. There will be many more months like that before we are through.

Impact of Recession

Why did the program’s finances change so much, so fast? This recession has led to a big reduction in employment, and that reduces payroll tax revenue. Moreover, people losing their jobs tend to retire early or go on disability, so payouts rise too.

But there is another force at play. In the past few years, the CBO twisted its own assumptions to make Social Security’s financial future look sounder. Only now can we see the damage that has been wrought by the attempt to downplay the crisis.

Opponents of Social Security reform have tried for years to underplay the problem by stating that the program’s finances are fine. Social Security was, in the most recent report by its trustees, expected to run surpluses all the way to 2017. Why bother to reform something now if the crisis is so far off?

This assertion has been so prevalent that my institution, the American Enterprise Institute, even sponsored an event back in 2007 with the title, “Are the Social Security Trustees Reports Too Pessimistic?”

Warning of Crisis

At that event, Hudson Institute scholar Chuck Blahous, who was leading President George W. Bush’s Commission to Strengthen Social Security, made the compelling case that those predicting a Social Security financing crisis were basing that on sensible assumptions. Blahous was pilloried by the left, but we now know he was far more right than even he could have dreamed.

Reformers like Blahous have pointed out that the retirement of the baby boomers guarantees that Social Security will run out of money, and that the changes necessary to fix the system will be much smaller if we enact them many years in advance. Sadly, it may now be too late. No longer can we wait until 2017 for the deficit to arrive; it’s here already.

It’s true that the CBO projects that the program will resume generating near-term surpluses once this recession is behind us, but that projection is excessively optimistic for three reasons.

First, the CBO’s economic projections call for growth to resume next year at a healthy pace, something that seems more and more questionable given the persistent financial crisis.

Permanent Changes

Second, many individuals who retire early or go on disability in this crisis may not return to the workforce once the recession ends, so the higher payments are probably with us forever.

Finally, Social Security just increased everyone’s benefits by 5.8 percent to cover the increase in the cost of living last year, the biggest increase since 1982. That adjustment jacks up benefits payments permanently.

So this year, the “on-budget” side of the government will run the biggest deficit relative to gross domestic product since World War II. And now we at least can envision that U.S. Treasury needing to kick in general revenues to finance the payment of Social Security benefits.

That means benefits payments will be under more stress than they have been in modern times. To the extent that the federal government continues to pump money into assorted bailouts and rescues, it will undermine its ability to support a retirement program that is now a drag on the overall picture.

The only responsible course is to do what reformers have been advocating for at least a decade, a step that worked in 1983: Establish a bipartisan commission to recommend fixes to Social Security, and implement them now. The myth that we can postpone reform because everything is just fine has been exposed as such. The time to act is now.

Great. Just great.
 
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