Returning Civ Leaders-Elimination Thread

[Siptah]

Abraham Lincoln 5
Ashoka 32 (35-3) He can take the hit and I think there are other good options for India as well. I'd prefer some of those (Akbar, Shah Jahan) to Ashoka if they don't introduce a separate Mughal civ for those rulers.
Canute/Cnut the Great 17 (16+1) more Denmark!
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 28
João II 23
Louis XIV 35
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 7
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Roman Citizen]

Abraham Lincoln 5+1=6 come on Abe we can make it to the top 10
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 16-3-13 I actually wouldn't mind another viking leader, I just prefer the rest on this list.
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 28
João II 23
Louis XIV 35
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 7
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Morningcalm]

Abraham Lincoln 6 + 1 = 7 (Contrary to what Zaarin has implied, Lincoln is not a king, but an iconic leader who resolved two of America's greatest crises ever. And he had less pride and more humility than Boromir, perhaps because he also happened to be a melancholy leader who had to hold the nation together through hard work and sheer force of will, which is distinctly American in a way Teddy Roosevelt should be proud of.)
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 13
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 28
João II 23
Louis XIV 35
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 7 - 3 = 4 (Meh, what agenda would this guy have? "I like to war a lot"? Give us Suleiman, please.)
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Kimiimaro]

Mehmed II 7 - 3 = 4 (Meh, what agenda would this guy have? "I like to war a lot"? Give us Suleiman, please.)

Something with art or environment maybe? Suleiman was also a conqueror. Both were similar.

Abraham Lincoln 7
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 13-3=10 - No more Vikings!
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 28
João II 23
Louis XIV 35
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 4+1=5 - Not before the Viking. We need the Ottoman Empire. And Mehmed is fine alternative to Suleiman. During his reign, Kannuname (Book of laws) was created, he loved art and gardening. He wasn't just a conqueror. He deserves to be in top 10.
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Zaarin]

Abraham Lincoln 4 (7 - 3) -- If America must have a second leader, let it be an early president and not King Abe.
Ashoka 35
Canute/Cnut the Great 10
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 28
João II 23
Louis XIV 36 (35 + 1) -- At long last the Sun King takes his rightful place.
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 5
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Siptah]

We lost my vote from yesterday somehow, so I'll factor it in here: -3 for Ashoka and +1 for Canute

Abraham Lincoln 4
Ashoka 29 (32-3) I'd prefer other leaders from India
Canute/Cnut the Great 11
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 28
João II 24 (23+1) looking forward to play this guy again
Louis XIV 36
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 5
Suryavarman II 24

 

[Roman Citizen]

Abraham Lincoln 4
Ashoka 29
Canute/Cnut the Great 11-3=8 ~ I like Cnut the Great but I prefer everyone everyone else on this list.
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 28
João II 24
Louis XIV 36
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 5
Suryavarman II 24+1=25 ~ If there is one southeast Asia civ I want above all it would be the Khmer Empire and he would be a great leader for it.

 

[Morningcalm]

Abraham Lincoln 4 + 1 = 5 (Odd that Zaarin calls Lincoln "King Abe" (a Southern moniker if ever there was one) while upvoting an actual absolutist king who was known for bankrupting his nation to build pretty buildings and finance wars...... I am also not convinced Firaxis could do early American leaders the justice of a semi-authentic representation. We all remember Bill Clinton, I mean, George Washington, of Civ V (who looked more like Madison). Better to have an iconic, largely uncontroversial leader considered the best president by scholars--to represent a civ that has many fans belonging to that nation (U.S.)-- and to boot, someone who resolved two of the U.S.' major crises ever, just short of World War II and the Cold War.)
Ashoka 29
Canute/Cnut the Great 8
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 28
João II 24
Louis XIV 36
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 5 - 3 = 2 (Sorry, not compelling. At least Suleiman could have an agenda based on his relationship with France or his legal code, or heck, even the Barbary pirates. Mehmed lacks such august things, though I suppose we could go for the Rome-wannabe title of Qayser-i-Rum that he gave himself. No thanks.)
Suryavarman II 25

 

[Manifold]

Abraham Lincoln 6 (5+1) Military and expansive would fit
Ashoka 29
Canute/Cnut the Great 8
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 28
João II 24
Louis XIV 33 (36-3) his time period is too close to the existing France leader
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 2
Suryavarman II 25

 

[God of Kings]

Abraham Lincoln 6
Ashoka 29 + 1 = 30 If it weren't for the Gandhi meme, he would have represented India much more often
Canute/Cnut the Great 8
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 28
João II 24
Louis XIV 33
Mansa Musa 34
Mehmed II 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED He thinks he's the Roman emperor, yet isn't one
Suryavarman II 25

 

[Zaarin]

@Morningcalm I don't claim to be consistent in what I like in foreign leaders and what I like in American leaders. For the record, I wouldn't vote for Louis XIV for president, but I think he's an enormously fascinating historical personage.

@Manifold I too often mistake the Enlightenment for the early Renaissance. A Medieval king would still probably be within 200 years of CdM, no further than Louis XIV...

 

[Kimiimaro]

Mehmed II 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED He thinks he's the Roman emperor, yet isn't one

B-but... We-we need Ottomans... He deserved a place in top 10, instead of unnecessary Viking.

Abraham Lincoln 6
Ashoka 30
Canute/Cnut the Great 8-3=5 - Why is he still alive? Let's kill him already. No more Vikings!
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 28+1=29 - He is the top choice. If there will be battle between him and Mansa Musa, I'll definitely support him. He is too interesting to not be included.
João II 24
Louis XIV 33
Mansa Musa 34
Suryavarman II 25

 

[Zaarin]

Abraham Lincoln 3 (6 - 3) -- I was going to downvote Mehmed II today, but he's already been offed, so Abe can continue to feel my wrath.
Ashoka 30
Canute/Cnut the Great 5
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 30 (29 + 1) -- Carthage can into thirty club.
João II 24
Louis XIV 33
Mansa Musa 34
Suryavarman II 25

 

[Roman Citizen]

Abraham Lincoln 3+1=4 I have to agree with @Morningcalm on honest Abe here.
Ashoka 30
Canute/Cnut the Great 5-3=2 same reason as last time.
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 30
João II 24
Louis XIV 33
Mansa Musa 34
Suryavarman II 25

 

[Siptah]

Abraham Lincoln 1 (4-3) should be the next to go. He's kind of redundant for civ VI as it is now. There are better options in my opinion. And of course I think he is a bit overrated in popular culture and american remembrance.
Ashoka 30
Canute/Cnut the Great 2
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 30
João II 24
Louis XIV 34 (33+1) belongs in the lead
Mansa Musa 34
Suryavarman II 25

 

[Morningcalm]

Abraham Lincoln 1 + 1 = 2 (Defiantly upvoting my favorite president, who was a much better person and a more capable ruler than Louis XIV, and a heckuva lot less arrogant as well.)
Ashoka 30
Canute/Cnut the Great 2 - 3 = Eliminated. While I upvoted this guy early, I'm also remembering how tired I am of European civilizations, and the difficulty that might arise in having this august king lead yet another Viking-esque nation.
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 30
João II 24
Louis XIV 34
Mansa Musa 34
Suryavarman II 25

 

[God of Kings]

Abraham Lincoln 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED I hate to be the John Wilkes Booth here, but opportunity presents itself.
Ashoka 30
Frederick the Great 25
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 30
João II 24
Louis XIV 34
Mansa Musa 34 + 1 = 35 This man was so rich that Europeans romanticized Timbuktu to the point of using the name Timbuktu to refer to an unspecified faraway place
Suryavarman II 25

Note that I have to leave early today

 

[SMcM]

Ashoka 30
Frederick the Great 22 (25 - 3) Would rather see the others here, and Germany already has a Frederick...
Hammurabi 28
Hannibal Barca 31 (30 + 1) For being one of the most capable military leaders of all time, and also I don't want Dido again
João II 24
Louis XIV 34
Mansa Musa 35
Suryavarman II 25

 

[Manifold]

Ashoka 30
Frederick the Great 22
Hammurabi 29 (28+1) green brother of Shaka
Hannibal Barca 31
João II 24
Louis XIV 31 (34-3) he was a puppet of Cardinal Mazarin
Mansa Musa 35
Suryavarman II 25

 

[IgorS]

Ashoka 30 + 1 = 31 - Give peace a chance
Frederick the Great 22
Hammurabi 29
Hannibal Barca 31 - 3 = 28 - because the others on this list are more interesting for me
João II 24
Louis XIV 31
Mansa Musa 35
Suryavarman II 25