[R&F] Rise and Fall Screenshot discussion

[Vahnstad]

I'm back and forth. The thing isn't a caravansary, because there aren't interior stalls. It's also very sea-oriented. It is partially fortified, but not enough to make it some kind of citadel or castle. So to me, it's likely a feitoria, or something that fulfills the same role.

BUT...

There doesn't seem to be many world famous fortified seaside warehouses.

So maybe a UI? But it doesn't match Portuguese or Dutch architecture. Maybe some Islamospheric sea-going trade civ?

Unique Improvement of Kilwa / Swahili?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Oman? Doesn‘t fit the architecture.
It can be a very weird unique Khan improvement of the Ottomans. Wouldn‘t like that, however.

Or Kilwa. Or the Ottomans. The horizontal bands on the walls remind me of the Theodosian Walls in Istanbul.

 

[Siptah]

Unique Improvement of Kilwa / Swahili?

This seems indeed possible. It‘s not a perfect fit imho, but at least as good as the other ones.

 

[Janskey]

I don't think the red stuff is trees. There are trees on the tile that are taller than the red stuff. It might be a flower like fireweed or some kind of red shrub.

Neither do I. Coniferous trees are mostly evergreen and they are green in the screenshot as well, but there's snow, so maybe it's late autumn/early winter and that's why the other plants are red. I was thinking something like in this picture:
https://markvandyke.photoshelter.com/image/I0000cKUr6E_4WZM

The rocks in it however seems a bit similar, but it maybe lacks lakes. And two natural wonders from America in one expansion (and an additional two world wonders too), would be exaggerating.

Yeah, it might be too much.

 

[Vahnstad]

The problem is, if it would be the Ottomans, wouldn't they choose for a different unique improvement that is more well known? Also, there is the possibility that Kilwa is a newly added city-state and that this is their provided suzerainty bonus: a unique improvement.

 

[Siptah]

The problem is, if it would be the Ottomans, wouldn't they choose for a different unique improvement that is more well known? Also, there is the possibility that Kilwa is a newly added city-state and that this is their provided suzerainty bonus: a unique improvement.

Hopefully it‘s not an Ottoman improvement. They need something like a unique CH. We have the numbers of new improvements, no room for new CS UI. Kilwa is also requested often - what speaks against a Swahili civ?

 

[Vahnstad]

Keep this in mind when looking for new stuff in these photos.
NEW LEADERS AND CIVS
Nine new leaders and eight new civilizations are introduced. Each brings unique bonuses and gameplay, as well as a total of eight unique units, two unique buildings, four unique improvements, and two unique districts.
NEW GLOBAL CONTENT
Eight new world wonders, seven natural wonders, four new units, two new improvements, two new districts, fourteen new buildings, and three new resources have been added.

Hmm are city-states unique improvements included here? It seems like they are (and we only have 8 uniques aside of the 8 uu's, each for every civilization, so that makes new suzerainty bonuses a bit less likely. It also questions the unique improvement of the Ferris Wheel again.

edit: ninja'd.

 

[Vahnstad]

Kilwa would be a fresh and good choice, so i would be happy with that, but still not sure about it. However it looks like we will see a original choice for Africa. I already thought about Zimbabwe, but this would be in the same region. Is there a possible (important) female leader for Kilwa, because that could raise their chances. It could also be a spiritual replacement of the Ottomans (for now), and the Turks may not like it , but it could also open a door for the Byzantines.

 

[Ondolindë]

Or Kilwa. Or the Ottomans. The horizontal bands on the walls remind me of the Theodosian Walls in Istanbul.

Now that you mention it, they look like the Theodosian Walls. I was wondering where I had seen something similar.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Could this be it? Al Jalali Fort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jalali_Fort

 

[chazzycat]

Could this be it? Al Jalali Fort https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jalali_Fort

hey at least it's a fort + dock. That is as good a guess as anything else. No dome though

Interestingly, it was built by the Portuguese, and probably serves similar functions to a feitoria.

The architecture looks Ottoman, but I've gone through every Ottoman fort listed on wikipedia and none of them are too close. They lack the domes, or the dock thing, or both. But the general appearance certainly do have some similarities...

I think it's safe to say the designers didn't choose anything particularly well known here. So I'm definitely leaning toward an improvement rather than wonder. Either way, be it feitoria, caravansary, or vague "ottoman seaside fort", probably serves a similar function of defensive bonus + gold (or trade route).

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

hey at least it's a fort + dock. That is as good a guess as anything else. No dome though

Yeah the courtyard also was planted with trees. As for the dome maybe it could be just to represent the architectural style of Oman even though it was built by the Portuguese.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Yeah the courtyard also was planted with trees. As for the dome maybe it could be just to represent the architectural style of Oman even though it was built by the Portuguese.

The structure in the game only has a warehouse and no towers, so probably not that fort. But it is along the right path.

 

[Cerilis]

Maybe if we combine that fort with the square building of the Kairouan mosque...

Tbh, that square building in Kairouan is a good fit, but the supposed main feature and landmark, the minaret, is completely missing in the wonder.

 

[Cerilis]

What if it's a mosque that was later converted to something else, when the area became christian again (spain, sicily), and then the minaret was demolished?

If it's really I wonder I'm beginning to think it's one that doesnt exist anymore today.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Anybody notice that the box art picture has about 3 minarets scattered around? What's that about?

One minaret is behind the Statue of Liberty, the other two are in the Capadoccia landscape. Usually minarets are part of a mosque, so it's weird to see them by themselves.

And they appear to be of the #3, Turkish variety.

 

[Guatenadian]

Well didn't Oman have substantial territory in Eastern Africa at one point? Could that be the source of the building?

 

[Vahnstad]

Well didn't Oman have substantial territory in Eastern Africa at one point? Could that be the source of the building?

That fort was built there, but was built by Portugal in present Oman.

 

[eso12por8]

It‘s not the same blue as the campus. The look doesn‘t fit Morocco. The Silk Road cities you name are options. But it looks like it has to be next to water, or is that an illusion?

It's a feitoria. There are/were feitorias in Fez, Marrakesh, & Hormuz. Just saying, I see a Portugal return.

 

[eso12por8]

It just really doesn't look like Portuguese architecture, particularly with the dome and arched entrance way. I'd expect a feitoria to be more castle-like, with whitewashed walls and a tiled roof, like Elmina Castle:-

Spoiler Elmina Castle, a 15th century feitoria in modern Ghana :

Portuguese architecture is far more broad than you're allowing it to be. I personally see a feitoria, though I also have a degree in Portuguese & Lusophone Studies so there may be a big douse of hope in this for me. Feitorias were built all over the world & got a lot of influence from the area of the globe the feitoria was built. I also offer you the Palácio Nacional da Pena, which shatters conventional knowledge of a white-washed Manueline style.

In order
Feitoria at Ormus (Hormuz)
Feitoria at Bom Baïm (Mumbai)
Feitoria at Cascais (Cidadela de Cascais, Portugal)
Feitoria at Banguecoque (Bangkok)
Feitoria at Amura, Guiné-Bissau
Feitoria at São Vicente, Cabo Verde
Palácio Nacional da Pena, Sintra, Portugal