[GS] Science victory - GS - Elimination thread

[Civ Chemist]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [4]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [22]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21] (20+1): Interesting that no one has mentioned Matthias yet. If you allow some wormongering he is at least top 5 for fast science victories, but even without that he is very strong. Geothermal fissure start bias means high campus adjacency early on, +50% production on districts and its buildings across the river is huge. Even if it will not always apply to each campus getting it on other dictricts will still save you a lot of production and the best thing it also applies to spaceports. He is the best civ for scuring early suzerains and getting to 6 envoys in science city states. And if he wants to liberate a city state on the other side of the map he can easily do it by levying an army nearby without having to walk across the entire continent.
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14] (17-3): Great for culture but nothing really there that would help a science victory. And not being able to build (or even conquer) holy sites is a big disadvantage: Much more difficult to take advantage of a monumentality golden age or purchase key great people in the late game.
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [11]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [26]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [14]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [14]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Victoria]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [4]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [22]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [12] (11+1) The Lavra - Monumentality is such a boost.Suffers from the snow a bit but the pretty Auroran Dance makes up for it.
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [26]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [26]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11] (14-3) Not much there if we ignore domination. Culture is so important for an SV... but nope, none of that
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [14]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[bengalryan9]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [4]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [22]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [9] (12-3) I don't think a tundra start is an absolute dealbreaker... but some of you guys sure do. All this talk about how low on food Canada is but Peter gets even less.
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [26]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [29] (26+3) Can't deny her strength here even if it's not the most exciting way to play.
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [14]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

Moderator Action: This is a game thread, not a discussion thread. Discussion removed. Also, please add only +1, corrected in the next post. leif

 

[Leucarum]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [17]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [4]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [22]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [6] (9-3) Russia is a top tier civ and lavras are great but... Why Science? Russia is so much better at religious/culture victories (and its path to both converges at the lavra) that we come back to the same argument we have with domination civs... Why handicap yourself by aiming for a suboptimal victory type for your civ? Especially when you will be doing a lot of the same strategy anyway... Good civs are better at everything so I get why people would upvote here but this is a science thread...

I feel slightly guilty for downvoting here as the last vote came through while I was typing and now it looks like a pile-on.

32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [27] (26+1) Robert is good at one thing and he focuses in on it. Plus I love % bonuses
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [27] Corrected to be a +1 instead of a +3.
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [14]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Kmart_Elvis]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [18]
4. Chandragupta/India [14] (17-3) Their only edge to science is picking up Jesuit Education, but Russia has a better faith economy and faster Great Prophet generating to take advantage of that, so I don't know why this is so much higher than Russia. Plus, his counterpart Gandhi is already eliminated...
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [4]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [22]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [7] (6+1) Is Russia a top 20 science civ? Of course not. But it's at risk of going out at #40 when there's far more undeserving civs in the running. Their massive faith economy allows them to buy more settlers in a golden age, as well as having enough faith to buy the libraries and universities needed in their cities. Once you get that set up, go in a dark age and take advantage of Monasticism. Because you have a half-price holy site in your cities, more cities will be able to produce 75% more science. Of course Russia is primarily a cultural/religious civ, but they are also one of the most versatile civs in the game, so they're at least halfway decent at SVs too.
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [27]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [27]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [14]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Loderingo]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [15] - 18-3 - her spies make her a bit better than Freleanor but not much. She can easily sabotage spaceports but not much to get an SV herself
4. Chandragupta/India [14]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [4]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [23] - 22+1 - Overall a top tier civ and has lots of production with his Hansas
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [7]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [27]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [27]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [14]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Wyvern_Parade]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [15]
4. Chandragupta/India [14]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [1] (4-1) A small bonus to useful wonders just isn't enough for this to stay in my opinion.
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [23]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [14]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [8] (7+1) I'll defend these guys one more time and just say that being REALLY good at other victory types doesn't make them inherently worse at science. We're not comparing how good they are at science vs. culture or religion. We're comparing how good they are at science victory compared to other civs. And there are certainly many on this list that are worse than Russia.
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [27]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [27]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [14]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Lily_Lancer]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [15]
4. Chandragupta/India [14]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [1]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [23]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [11=14-3] Why is this one still here? A blank Civ with bad starting bias?
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [9] (8+1) Russia is one of the best science Civs and shouldn't have that low score, easy access to a golden classical. Lavra makes both Golden and Dark Ages TERRIFIC for Russia. (Dark Medieval with +75% science is the best.)
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [27]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [27]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [14]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Leucarum]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [15]
4. Chandragupta/India [11] (14-3) Better off sticking to domination.
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [1]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [23]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [11]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [9]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [27]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [28] (27+1) It's difficult to argue with the consistency of a Seowon.
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [14]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Disgustipated]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [15]
4. Chandragupta/India [11]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [Eliminated] = 1 - 3 Time to put her out of her misery. She's certainly not bad at it, and could do it if she so chooses. She's just basically a blank vanilla civ in this regard. I dare say no one on this list is bad at science victory. They just aren't good at it. They are simply neutral.
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [23]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [11]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [9]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [27]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [29] = 28 + 1 Boring, but effective. Simply OP. The Seowons are enough on their own, but then she also has the governor promotion ability which also gives her culture which is important too. I dare say they went too far with this civ.
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [14]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[kryat]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [15]
4. Chandragupta/India [8] (11-3) Elephants and stepwells don’t help that much.
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [23]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [22]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [11]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [15]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [9]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [27]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [29]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [14]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [25] (24+1) Might be better than Korea. You can consistently get +3 campuses, and with some luck you can spike up
even higher than Korea’s +4. But more importantly, their IZs and Theater Squares are also that good, making them more well rounded throughout the game. Their bonus to building dams also means they can easily make the housing necessary to support all these districts.

 

[Bangau]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [15]
4. Chandragupta/India [8]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [23]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [23] (22+1) Japan can pour faith into science, get some nice theatre squares ánd get high adjancency on Campus and IZ. One of the best SV civs I think.
18. Jadwiga/Poland [11]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [12] (15-3) Already getting harder to downvote, there's an ok strategy to be found for all of them to get a SV. Putting the great Mali down three points this time: slow starter, no obvious science bonuses and production penalty just does not have SV written all over it.
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [23]
31. Peter/Russia [9] Lot's of discussion whether Peter is or is not a mediocre SV player. In Dutch we have a saying that translated says: "High trees catch a lot of wind." Meaning: those who stick out will attract more attention. Maybe that's what Peter's suffering from. ;-)
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [27]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [29]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [14]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [22]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [25]

 

[Victoria]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [15]
4. Chandragupta/India [14]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [1]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [23]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [23]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [11]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [12]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [24] (23+1) Korea and Aus are a step ahead but the culture and Envoy power or Peri seriously speeds up an SV. The Globalisation civic is a key target on SV which Peri can get to without a moon landing and the +5% science per suze once there Peri just eats up. Certainly top 10 in my book, more so than Robbie the Bruce IMO.
31. Peter/Russia [9]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [27]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [27]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [14]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [19] (22-3) Free inquiry on lower levels anyone can get, its just a few turns earlier for Vic. Love playing Victoria but she is no science victory beast and certainly should not be above Qin (or Peter). She is a Renaissance sea dom queen pure and simple
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[Hogimus]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [15]
4. Chandragupta/India [14]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
8. Eleanor/France [1]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [23]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [21]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [23]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [11]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [12]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [24]
31. Peter/Russia [10] (9+1) As others have said, DotA with Lavras is great with Monumentality, plus access to tundra can make a very high in production St. Basil city.
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [27]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [27]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [11] (14-3) Besides being able to more easily secure their continent, their other bonuses don't really help with a science victory.
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [24]

 

[bengalryan9]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [15]
4. Chandragupta/India [8]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [23]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [22] (21+1) Ziggurats are nice.
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [23]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [11]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [12]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [24]
31. Peter/Russia [10] Still waiting for one of those who attacked Canada for its lack of food to explain to me how Russia can do just fine with even less (I'd say Canada can match Russia's tundra production with buffed mines and lumbermills)... I won't downvote him again already, though.
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [27]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [29]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [8] Agreed, not much here to help with science.
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [25]

Scores got screwed up somewhere along the line (French Eleanor reappeared, for example), but I think I fixed them.

 

[Loderingo]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [15]
4. Chandragupta/India [8]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [23]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23] - 22+1 - Ziggurats give a nice boost to early science. Can easily conquer a neighbour with war carts
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [23]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [8] - 11-3 - Nothing to help with an SV
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [12]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [12]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [24]
31. Peter/Russia [10]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [27]
36. Saladin/Arabia [21]
37. Seondeok/Korea [29]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [8]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [25]

 

[Kmart_Elvis]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [15]
4. Chandragupta/India [8]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [23]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [23]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [8] Not going to spend an upvote to defend them, but did want to point out they can use the +2 Great Scientist points card earlier than all other civs except Greece because of their Civ Ability, and stacking a bunch of trade routes can be powerful for their spaceport cities because of the Sukiennice. +2 production per international trade route = 10 trade routes bring in 20 bonus production for that city alone.
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [9] (12-3) While they do have a mountain start bonus, their chemamulls directly compete with their prime campus spots.
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [12]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [24]
31. Peter/Russia [10]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [21]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [27]
36. Saladin/Arabia [22] (21+1) A pretty unique civ in that it's a Religious/Scientific hybrid: +1 science for your religion in every foreign city. Your T3 holy site buildings give 10% science (the same as the much admired Scottish Enlightenment bonus). They have a unique campus building which synergizes well with their faith. And you are guaranteed a religion, all the better to fill your beliefs with Jesuit Education, wats (+2 science), and either Cross Cultural Dialogue or Stewardship for even more science for other civs following your religion.
37. Seondeok/Korea [29]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [8]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [25]

 

[enKage]

Wow!
New elimination thread!

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [15]
4. Chandragupta/India [8]
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [22]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [23]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [23]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [8]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [9]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [9] 12-3 Penalty on production, not the greatest expannsion ability
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [24]
31. Peter/Russia [10]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22] 21+1 No limits on pop, above average production, the quickest possible growth of every city to pop10 = quick rationalism even in fresh cities, insane internal routes, one of very few civs able to make Sankhore the ultimate science wonder, knowing all scientific and cultural city state even on huge maps during classical era...... many minor things making a combination of a very strong and underrated science civ
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [27]
36. Saladin/Arabia [22]
37. Seondeok/Korea [29]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [8]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [25]


EDIT
How was Gandhi eliminated with +2/+3 ammenities per city transfering to one level of happiness higher giving +% science / culture and UI maybe not great but helping with limited growth?
Scotland:
wow wow wow! more cience when you make cities exalted!
Gandhi
meh meh meh 1 level of happines higher and in effect more science? What a downside!
How much time should pass before some community members notice change to Dharma ability?

 

[Tabarnak]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [15]
4. Chandragupta/India [5] (8-3) : Same as Ghandi, though better than his brother overall, it still doesn't compare well for a SV from many other civs.
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [23] (22+1) : Same advantages than Victoria. Cheap harbors into medieval science dedication for the win
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [23]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [23]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [8]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [9]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [9]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [24]
31. Peter/Russia [10]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [27]
36. Saladin/Arabia [22]
37. Seondeok/Korea [29]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [8]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [19]
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [25]

 

[Sostratus]

1. Alexander/Macedon [23]
2. Amanitore/Nubia [21]
3. Catherine/France [15]
4. Chandragupta/India [2] = 5-3 varus are really good! But any civ conquer a neighbor. If pop science mattered, then I think the stepwell would really make india shine. But, it doesn't, so I can't say much good about chandy.
5. Cleopatra/Egypt [17]
6. Cyrus/Persia [14]
7. Dido/Phoenicia [23]
9. Eleanor/England [15]
10. Frederick/Germany [23]
12. Genghis Khan/Mongolia [12]
13. Gilgamesh/Sumeria [23]
14. Gitarja/Indonesia [21]
15. Gorgo/Greece [21]
16. Harald Hardrada/Norway [23]
17. Hojo Tokimune/Japan [23]
18. Jadwiga/Poland [8]
20. John Curtin/Australia [27]
21. Kristina/Sweden [18]
22. Kupe/Maori [18]
23. Lautaro/Mapuche [9]
24. Mansa Musa/Mali [9]
25. Matthias Corvinus/Hungary [21]
26. Montezuma/Aztec [21]
27. Mvemba a Nzinga/Kongo [14]
28. Pachacuti/Inca [24]
29. Pedro/Brazil [25]
30. Pericles/Greece [24]
31. Peter/Russia [10]
32. Philip/Spain [21]
33. Poundmaker/Cree [22]
34. Qin Shi Huang/China [21]
35. Robert the Bruce/Scotland [27]
36. Saladin/Arabia [22]
37. Seondeok/Korea [29]
38. Suleiman/Ottomans [11]
41. Teddy Roosevelt/America [8]
43. Trajan/Rome [17]
44. Victoria/England [20] = 19+1 I think Victoria has the harbor golden age trick, but also Workshop of the world, whose building bonuses are very widespread and are affected by policy cards. Plus, you get more coal to spam these boosted buildings around! This ends up giving you a lot of ways to push through the last couple eras and get the spaceship launched.
46. Wilhelmina/Netherlands [25]