[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Phoenix Rising

[Tonny]

Taking new page

Let's start the Golden Age!

My said it already
Move the spy and scientist out, then select them both or one of them, then GA

civic switch is only OR, yup
later it will be US and slavery and Free Market

we have an increase of 226!!!

OR green

V: WS and maybe 1 engineer instead of scientist and maybe furs to farm
G: needs to be able to 5 pop whip the GT, BT will be rush buy
NW: WP and mines and engineer
Trips: -1 scientist for coast

T needs to stay at -2 food/turn

 

[Fippy]

Rogue Tonny imo.

Do nooooot select all 3 GP, move scientist + Spy 1sw or so and start on one of them.
We cannot mess this part up, we need our Artist for MM.

Nope no need to merge them, can just start on Spy or Scientist if they stand together alone.

Only Civic switch = OR, unless i forget something.
Yep US + slavery + Free Market ! on last turn (ofc if science looks so safe that we can afford to get those parts done sooner, we can earlier but for now we want to keep science Civics).
FM cos we cannot found our Corp in SP.

Green on OR here, we will lose some of those beakers as cities switch into builds (WP, WS and well GT).
Also Trips to avoid shrink but easy spotting.
So yup let's get those 3 builds started (again).

NW also back on hammers ofc.

 

[lymond]

Stealthy page turn

Do we need to sync any switches with this Golden Age? 8 turns means that t208 we can't switch anymore, if needed.

(glad I'm not playing this turn )

I had some GPs on the same tile back then....more than what was needed and the wrong ones were used

My is right.... just put the 2 needed on the same tile away from any others. The do not need to be merged

We go US on last turn? ..of GA....and slavery

green on OR now
oh ..ha...good call on FM...def have to switch outta SP

just a hair short on 5t IND ...but does not matter

Trips - 1 sci guy for coast
(I meant trips)

If moves were made b/w upload we need to report it to staff

 

[Gumbolt]

That is why I asked. I think the game takes them from nearest. Does selecting 2 change how it selects them?

I am trying to remember what Lymond did wrong before.

Okay let me move them and start golden age.

Okay all went to plan. Uploading. I used up G artist movement to be sure.

1285 raw beakers so far.

I think OR is only change.

Green for OR switch?
We need 2 turns of whips.

Think were all agreed on OR. I will do chops after this.

Any city build changes?

T is on a shrink plan. So not added scientist.
Switched Trips for coast so no shrinking.

G on Globe Theatre.
V on Wall Street
NW on West point

 

[Gumbolt]

Game has crashed.

I hadn't actually moved the workers yet. Latest save has Trips back on normal food by the city buiild switches lost. I will upload last save I have.

 

[Fippy]

One of us can take back over now if you are annoyed by that (would be very understandable).

Only irreversible moves have to be replayed (instantly).

Let's not put pressure on Gumbo now Lymo.

 

[lymond]

If moves were made b/w upload we need to report it to staff

If we switch players, Gumbo still should replay the moves performed before the crash and reupload. First thing though is to report crash now.

Don't do anything until you PM staff. Include any moves made after last upload in message

that's not really what you should have done now..but we should be fine
always wait for team council before taking actions after a crash

actually not really Ton..that is not the save I have....no worries though, our game is fine

sorry, did not mean to add pressure, but there are procedures to follow

 

[Gumbolt]

I have just uploaded last save. I hadn't done the worker moves so I don't think we lost anything. We should get it checked for safety. Very little advantage we could of gained at this point.

 

[Tonny]

It looks like that only the OR switch is really important to mention to the staff
good to see the save with the OR switch already done (after the 2nd upload)

looks like a crash with only some switches in the cities
and Mr. Ed automoved the chop (already did that before the save )

well done gumbo (feeling sad for you not hitting the "victory" button)

All honors/honours go to Lymo to take over
(let me worry about the numbers in the mean time)(and ofc My)

 

[Gumbolt]

I saved the game after the civic switch. I save quite often now.

 

[lymond]

We good

If we want to switch players to avoid more crashes, we can do so from new upload....

yep...good job with the frequent saving Gumbo

good job not pulling a lymo on the GA

I'm fine with My or Ton playing as well...at least today....we can switch around these last turns as needed.

a "lymo" ..it's like a "typo", but worse

# of turns don't mean that much to me. More important is who is ready and able to play some turns.

 

[Gumbolt]

NZ says carry on. I am happy for someone else to play. These crashes are annoying and directly related to swapping between screens.

You have the latest save I made. Don't forget Donkey may be paused, All 7 workers have moves.

Your safe to play Lymond. Your golden age can't be messed up now.

So who is taking over now? Who has done least turns out of Tonny and Lymond?

I made no moves. Only edits were reversable city changes. Yes some of the workers had auto moved but had more than 1 turn on chops.

If no one else volunteers I can play on. Carrys a risk.

Are you happy to play on Lymond? Yep I don't want a 10 minute debate on this.

 

[Fippy]

Yep all good again, i'm always available if nobody else wants.

It's okay, most important that we get past this turn now.
Looking at stuff.
(so officially playing now)
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NW at 59hpt with everything on prod.
357+ 3x59= 534, bit too much so removing Engi (-5h).
Cannot say for certain if we need exactly 520 thou, maybe we should keep him for 1 turn later.

KS Academy = 550g or 4 pop.
Trips HE = 3 pop and DD = 2 pop, so all goody here (keeping research etc).

V WS = 144h (+10 from chop currently), not sure here yet.
Hmm 15 from chops next turn, i wonder if we can make it in 2t (but will upload soon).
Market = 4 pop cold confirmed, should be fine (8 pop remaining).

Do you have the G GT number stored as well, PR brain?

Oh actually a chop into WS this turn as well.
Hmm 153 now..i think 317 will be a tuff ask in 2t.

Okay i will remove the hammer tiles in G this turn, i think they are not needed in favor of scientists.

Sorry i totally blinked on WS, we have many more chop hammers..yup it's 3t.

Any preferred places for our mishes in Russia?
I would let 1 stay in Yaktusk and 1 in Yaros.
MMM moves home, cannot see other unit moves currently.

Good idea, infamous Priv scouting for now

Trading, we could sell Steel around.
Prolly not important at this point, but can give more diplo with Peter and Biz.
Or we can wait for more gold.

I uploaded for now (all units moved), with the current city setup.
Kept Engi in NW for this turn.

If we want to see what Peter techs for fun, need EP on him
Silver 1.25 beakers less so i did not, if i remember right 75 is already "too many".
Oops i looked at furs, sowy
Grabbed silver now

New post

 

[lymond]

Play on today, My ....unless you rather I do it

sounds like a plan, Gumbo

Hey Ton..I'm still waiting on my coffee!
Your fired!!!

I see no harm in failing on the side of more hammers. Not like we need the research

Market will be cold whipped in V or bought?

this works too at this point:

Spoiler remaining builds :

KS- Cathedral

V- Market, Wall Street

G - Broadcast Tower, Globe Theatre

Bibs- nada

Trips - Drydock, Heroic Epic, Corporation HQ

T- Industrial Park, Ironworks

NW- Intelligence Agency, West Point

Only slight concern is X switch but that is unlikely. Yak and Vlad are plenty
Parking them is a good idea. Really does not matter much where we spread. He has 39 confused pop. Yaro, Nov and Yak is 30 X. A little close though imo. Vlad would be fine instead of Yaro

I think we can wait a bit on Steel too...diplo not that big a deal with those guys. May get rifling from Biz too.

fine with EP on Petes...never gonna see Sally and doesn't matter at this point

yeah..silver only better if building research

We may need to estimate just how much rush buy gold we will need at the end as we are going to lose about 900g or so. Ofc, we should get some trades or begs in during that time.

kermtastic!

 

[Gumbolt]

Okay Mylene today and Lymond on Friday.

Duplicate so removed.

Agree on priv hunting but they would have to reach us in 7-8 turns. I think larger cities but after we have forced their civics.

Our blimp searching north each turn covers all tiles.

Were losing 20gpt or so more than we were under pacifism.

EP is meaningless now. No harm in peter.

Not a great deal of gold around. At some point we should take HRE gold for peace.

Green

He is a bit late on steel. haha.

 

[Tonny]

Not me, I don't want to become a real PR jest now
(coffee???, go outside and find the nearest coffee shop )

okay
back to the game

V: WS and switch some tiles to get a total of 317 in WS in the end
G: GT, make it so that we can 5 pop whip it
NW: WP aiming for a total of 520

V with farm and ge will have 84 hpt into WS

sorry, I never received any numbers on GT, can't give you any there

WS numbers: 153+84+84=321 -> enough

Market in V is a cold whip

mishes for yakutsk and yaroslav imo, but we can park them near those cities as Priv watchers

our Mutts can do the same in German lands

imo wait for a bit more gold before selling steel
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G can work Silver, more hammers in GT and the same beaker output -> okay

EP... no opinion here

good point gumbo on more gpt loss -> checked and we're still on track

kermit here (we can play with the slider on turn 209 to get enough gold - or whip the cathedral as My mentions. easy going )
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WS can do without farm

GT can get hammers from the forests near the border on the east side

no biggie on yaro, vladivostok will do just fine

V without engi: 153+92+78=323 total -> still good

definite a good stopping point now (check GT also with furs and chops plz)

Sal is hardly an issue here on reli, still only 2 pop in X.

sorry to hear that we need some recalcs here.
I can tell you already that we're still on track on techrate if we keep on building now until the end.
We can always put a turn into Market and IP to make sure
Trips can cover the 10% loss now already
KS Cathedral is fine
Only real concerns are GT and the rushbuy of BT

let's sleep on it, yup

Nites all

Nice to see that gold isn't an issue
wow, GT is a close call... we still have furs and a few hills and a priest and chops available

I'll try crunching the numbers on tech rate tomorrow (I think we do need to put some turns building research to be sure)

again Nites

 

[Fippy]

With no trades this turn and silver, Kermit for next turn?
(EP on Peter for fun)

Should be good on gold, worst case would be we only buy BT but we should easily get enuf for Cathedral too.
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WS in current setup = 81h + 9 from finished chop = 96 without farm this turn (for maths).

GT = 6 pop now = i was wrong there and we need more hammers or growth, i should check this tomorrow. But it cannot be much more (maybe i had a forge on test :-/).

Peter now techs Steel
Yaro has Buddhism...

I think V can remove Engi, still 92h this turn.
Uploaded (forgot McFly, i think near Trips has the most value now)

I would see for G tomorrow (think we should stop now, midnight).
Okay, i think Peter was the failed beg on my fault (70g instead of 60)

I just realized an important mistake on my part, we will not have SP for 10% extra in our whips. All wonder whip calcs etc will not be accurate now and must be redone

Glad i thought about this now at least while no harm done.

Good to hear with techrate, but not seeing if we have enuf already (while in SP) is very annoying. Guess we should play that safe and just do more hammers than needed.

BT costs 525g without SP.
WS i see at at 337h needed now (might be slightly less, but 337 works).
Market still 4 pop (but can put a turn in for safety ofc)

GT i see at 116h (wow was i wrong there..)

Nitey, overall i would suggest we just put more hammers into each build if we don't need the beakers anyways.
We could also just grow in G?
Sleep well everybody, sorry for that oversight (SP was our trap)
Really going now lol, merci for the kind words

 

[lymond]

Thanks, Pete! ....he did helps us a little though..ha

I'm more than fine with Yak and Vlad...it's all icing really

Fine with moving Blimpy McBlimperson

weird..bud spread not in log

did we beg gold from Pete since t150 fail?

hmm...Sal in slavery now...keep on him as pop may change...may affect is reli ratio

oh sure..def stop for the night

good job My and Gumbo on tag team today

t150 seems a long time ago...beg fail feels more recent?

oh ...good call on SP....no worries...so many different little things to keep track of with these calcs. Worse case is we just do more rush buying

(I was thinking more of switching him to Confused...though it does not matter)

indeed

Ton..can we test beakers needed for MM if we switch to US earlier such that we start gold generation earlier....most critical thing I think is enough gold for BT in G as that will be cold bought, right?

Okay...we'll let's all sleep on this ...too late for you guys now

Nighty

agree....sleep well ...I think we're good here

G can regrow in 4 to 5 turns depending on how many scientists we lose, but we'd lose quite some beakers. 4 turns means working two tundra tiles.

no worries at all

 

[Gumbolt]

Unlikely to get any more religion spreads. I note Islam has spread a bit but I doubt Ai would switch to this. Previous turns.

No opinion on blimp. It's value decrease each turn. Trips is most at risk I guess. Germans can produce them too now? So some risk but we have Frigate.

Yes I think we have begged as we had 10T peace treaty disappear. Unless he begged from us?

Yep getting late here.

Well played.

 

[Fippy]

Screenie collection with builds, hammers needed and so on.
WS one shows that i removed SP (and only using this testgame now).

Spoiler :

Summary (with added safety hammers)..
Gold ideal amount: ~1100.
WS: ~350h (minimum 337h)
IW: ~410h (minimum 394h) , IP none (worst case we buy iron or connect coal to boost IW)
GT: ~125h (116 min)
WP: ~535h (525), IA ~55h (48)