Should AHMADINEJAD visit Ground Zero? Columbia?

[Little Raven]

Even if he wishes to pay his respects to the hijackers? You say "more power to him" when someone is trying to pay respect to the hijackers? Which is obvious enough to anyone who has read any international news reports over the last ~5 years.

Ahmadinejad says he wishes to pay respect to 'the innocent lives' lost on that day. He's a guest - he gets the benefit of the doubt unless he does something blatantly offensive.

What gives him the right to be anywhere except the UN Assembly, anyway? He is not a guest of the US, he is a guest of the UN. What "right" does he have to step foot on US soil?

He doesn't have a right to visit the site, but he should certainly be afforded the courtesy. He's a head of state - democratically elected, even. We may not like him or his politics, but that doesn't mean we have to resort to kindergarten-level 'My side, your side!!!' rhetoric.

What are we, 5?

 

[LuckyAC]

Mother Theresa is an awful person who rejoiced in the pain and death of others, while promoting her religious agenda instead of helping people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q1m-8npkJ4

 

[amadeus]

Ahmadinejad says he wishes to pay respect to 'the innocent lives' lost on that day. He's a guest - he gets the benefit of the doubt unless he does something blatantly offensive.

A guest of the United Nations he may be, but not of the United States, the State of New York, or New York City.

 

[Neonanocyborgasm]

While he said he isn't going to do so, due to the outrage by the American public and politicians, I still don't understand why he shouldn't be allowed to. I'm kind of outraged by some of the politicians, notably John McCain that said we should use force to restrain him if he tried to do it. The Iranian president wished to place a wreath to honor the victims of 9/11.

The main argument against him doing so is unproven allegation that Iran supports terrorism and his other outrageous comments against America and Israel. While these things we must consider, it would only be civil and orderly if he were allowed to freely do as he desired.

It's not unproven. It's been known for years that Iran funds Hezbollah, so it's not exactly a stretch to believe they'd fund insurgency in Iraq, for which there's recent evidence as well.

I don't see why the US should allow Ahmadinejad to grandstand at Ground Zero while he goes on about Holocaust denial, nuclear proliferation, and surreptitiously funding rebels in Iraq who kill Americans. In fact, if I were President, I would use this request from Iran to maximize outrage and PR and deny him a visa to enter the US outright, even to visit the UN. We don't need a foreign head of state behaving all sympathetic and respectful on our soil while attacking us in the public relations arena on his own soil.

Also, the Ivy League school of Columbia has invited the President to speak to students. After watching some coverage on this I'm left confused - interviewed students seem to be excited and glad that he's going to come visit. I wonder if they will show him the same sympathy the school showed the Minutemen speakers.

The fact that it is an Ivy League school says nothing about their scruples. Yale University once allowed a former Taliban officer to study there.

 

[George2816]

Jesus of Nazareth comes to mind as an excellent example of Christian behavior...

-Integral

Someone on this day and age.

Lets take

jerry farwell(the one that just died)he wanted to stone all homosexuals to death
John McCain- He wanted to nuke iran and he got a christans happy
I'm not even talk about bush or even his VP

 

[George2816]

What's a "fine" Christian?

Someone that says one thing and doesn't do other thing.

Now, if you mean a model person who follows the teachings of Jesus about how to live on this Earth, with our fellow Man, just take a look around you; there are "good Christians" you meet every day.

Sorry no i never meet someone that was a "fine" christan. All of them are say one thing and do something else

 

[Esckey]

I still don't see why he shouldn't be aloud there.

If your afraid he's just going to use it as some PR stunt, ban all news crews and cameras and everything else. Take him there and if necassary force him to see what happend. Play him the tapes, then get him the hell out of there and back on his plane

And Tax dollars for security? Theres 300 million of you! It won't even cost a penny a person for security

 

[George2816]

I still don't see why he shouldn't be aloud there.

If your afraid he's just going to use it as some PR stunt, ban all news crews and cameras and everything else. Take him there and if necassary force him to see what happend. Play him the tapes, then get him the hell out of there and back on his plane

And Tax dollars for security? Theres 300 million of you! It won't even cost a penny a person for security

The president does PR all the time and i don't see nearly anyone care about him. What about general i'm going to run for president. Does anyone else think he is sugar coating the iraq mess and blaming iran??

 

[CCA]

Wow

The failure of various people to grasp basic concepts such as "diplomacy" and "courtesy" is outstanding and serves as testament to the level of indoctrination that permeates the everyday American politcal climate...

 

[skadistic]

Wow

The failure of various people to grasp basic concepts such as "diplomacy" and "courtesy" is outstanding and serves as testament to the level of indoctrination that permeates the everyday American politcal climate...

As a citizen I don't have to have diplomacy or courtesy for a terrorist who heads a nation the actively funds and arms terrorist organizations that are in an active war with both US military and military from ally nations. He his not here as a diplomatic envoy to the US either.

 

[Japanrocks12]

Wow

The failure of various people to grasp basic concepts such as "diplomacy" and "courtesy" is outstanding and serves as testament to the level of indoctrination that permeates the everyday American politcal climate...

We don't extend our diplomatic hand to people who want us all killed and smoted. And my question was answered I guess.

 

[A1CBOZ]

Someone that says one thing and doesn't do other thing.
Sorry no i never meet someone that was a "fine" christan. All of them are say one thing and do something else

Then you obviously don't look very hard and have a very broken view of the people around you. Go to any church and you are quaranteed to find several (depending on the size of the church) people that are 'fine' devout Christians. They are despised by many people, such as yourself, for no other reason than they are Christians and actually hold themselves to a standrad higher than that of the world's. Many people, especially once in the public eye, make fools of themselves for no other reason than to get air time. Also many people, not just Christians, are just freaking nuts. But for you to say that you have never seen a fine Christian is ignorant, inflammatory and slanderous at best. So I suggest you open your eyes and actually see people for what they are, not what you wish them to be so you can promote your self concocted dogma.

 

[George2816]

We don't extend our diplomatic hand to people who want us all killed and smoted. And my question was answered I guess.

HMM?? If you got proof that the iran's are arming people in iraq go ahead and post but if what about the 50% of the total arms coming from another middl-eastern country? (nvm bush loves the prince and king of that middle eastern place to much to care that they are killing our soldiers more.)

Then you obviously don't look very hard and have a very broken view of the people around you. Go to any church and you are quaranteed to find several (depending on the size of the church) people that are 'fine' devout Christians.

You mean the ones that claim homosexually is a sin and they will spend their after life in hell or the preacher that says war is good. No i have a perfect view of the world. (Humans are and always will be the scum of the earth. What other species destorys everything around them for profit?)

They are despised by many people, such as yourself, for no other reason than they are Christians and actually hold themselves to a standrad higher than that of the world's.

UH yes clapping and cheering at McCain when he said "Nuke, Nuke, Nuke Iran!" and even jerry falwell wanted to stone to death all homosexuals (1980's)

Many people, especially once in the public eye, make fools of themselves for no other reason than to get air time.

Your right about that but many more people claim they are christans when infact the only god that they worship is the devil!

Also many people, not just Christians, are just freaking nuts.

Your right at that

But for you to say that you have never seen a fine Christian is ignorant, inflammatory and slanderous at best

No i am standing by what i said because the truth will set you free and thats only the truth!

So I suggest you open your eyes and actually see people for what they are, not what you wish them to be so you can promote your self concocted dogma.

No ty when the christans want to turn the USA into a christan nation and claim that "Your either with us or against us" is when I will always choose to be against the so called "christans"

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Someone that says one thing and doesn't do other thing.

Well let me pose you this question: can you name any non-Christians who fit this bill? My guess is no, because it's a part of

Sorry no i never meet someone that was a "fine" christan. All of them are say one thing and do something else

All the people you've mentioned are famous people: Jerry Falwell, Dubya, John McCain; are you saying you know these people personally? I agree with you that none of them are "good" people, but I don't see why the people in the limelight should be indicative of the entirely of Christianity.

 

[skadistic]

HMM?? If you got proof that the iran's are arming people in iraq go ahead and post but if what about the 50% of the total arms coming from another middl-eastern country? (nvm bush loves the prince and king of that middle eastern place to much to care that they are killing our soldiers more.)

Do you watch the news or read the papers? Or know how to use a search engine? There is plenty of evidence that shows Iran is arming and funding the insurgents in Iraq( ones in Afghanistan too ). Can you back up the 50% bs you posted about arms?

 

[George2816]

Well let me pose you this question: can you name any non-Christians who fit this bill? My guess is no, because it's a part of

No one unless you are the son of god (If their is a god). Humans by nature are greedy, stupid, arrogant people that would sell their mother for a buck (Just because you would deny it doesn't mean its not true!)

All the people you've mentioned are famous people: Jerry Falwell, Dubya, John McCain; are you saying you know these people personally?

Of course not but some people look at them as role models and with role models like that who needs enemies?

I agree with you that none of them are "good" people, but I don't see why the people in the limelight should be indicative of the entirely of Christianity.

Well when you guys can name one christan (Or i'll even take a muslum or any other religion[including someone that doesn't have a religion]) thats not a back stabbing jerk that would sell his mother for a buck. (Please don't name Jesus that was a long time ago[unless of course you have a time machine then i would have to witness jesus's miracles])

 

[George2816]

Do you watch the news or read the papers? Or know how to use a search engine? There is plenty of evidence that shows Iran is arming and funding the insurgents in Iraq( ones in Afghanistan too ). Can you back up the 50% bs you posted about arms?

Sorry foxnews doesn't cut it.

Our own intel says that but you don't have to take my word for it

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20061208_saudi_links_to_iraq_insurgency/
http://armsandinfluence.typepad.com/armsandinfluence/
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://www.agonist.org/
I can also give you fake intel that says saddam had something do to with 9/11, some WMD, and other's that claim he will attack the USA in a few months. (this was back before we attack iraq)

 

[skadistic]

Sorry foxnews doesn't cut it.

Our own intel says that but you don't have to take my word for it

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20061208_saudi_links_to_iraq_insurgency/
http://armsandinfluence.typepad.com/armsandinfluence/
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://www.agonist.org/

I'm sure Fox doesn't cut it for you. What would so I can use a source you like?

link 1 doesn't say 50% I'd like to read more but the link is broken.

link 2, 3 and 4 maybe you can quote it where it says 50% of the arms comes from SA.

I can also give you fake intel that says saddam had something do to with 9/11, some WMD, and other's that claim he will attack the USA in a few months. (this was back before we attack iraq)

By all means please do. Can you use a website I've at least heard of for it.

 

[George2816]

I'm sure Fox doesn't cut it for you. What would so I can use a source you like?

link 1 doesn't say 50% I'd like to read more but the link is broken.

link 2, 3 and 4 maybe you can quote it where it says 50% of the arms comes from SA.

It was in the intel report about 2 months ago.(Plus i think someone linked it in this forum) You can give me any number of sources but i'll call them a lie. Did you ever read the boy you called wolf??

Screw me once shame on you screw me twice shame on me! (And guess what time bush and his crew are up to and people still think hes telling the truth? Are they on crack or this "special kool-aid". If so, does it take worry away? if it does can i get some?)

 

[Dame Edna]

Why allow someone who sympathises with the murderers and their sick ideology to visit the scene of the crime? The people who argue diplomacy must be reading from an alien dictionary.

Ahmadinejad and his cronies are just another variant of Islamic supremists who would probably have been removed from power if Iran had a truly democratic system.