Berzerker
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hopefully we dont need to tear down statues to them either
Does it really matter on what lines the Greeks practised their superiority? I have the feeling that those who want to take down the statues of Jefferson and Washington becouse they were a slave owners dont give a damn anyway...Not sure how Greece was more characteristic of "slave owning" than the rest of what existed back then, when you pretty much either had empires of subjugated people or endless land of barbarian villages Moreover, slave-use in ancient Greece was not racial; slaves could easily (and often were) be greek, either turned to slaves through conquest or bought by pirates. Even a few famous people became slaves at times (eg Diogenes the cynic).
our wounds are more recent
Why in all movies general Lee appears as a cool and honorable guy? Was he better than the rest of the confederates or something?
I think part of that stems from the belief that Lee wasn't 100% committed to the Confederate cause. The belief goes that Lee only joined the Confederates because he didn't want to fight against his home state of Virginia and some people even go as far to state he may have intentionally sabotaged the Confederate war effort to ensure their defeat. Of course there really isn't a lot of evidence to support that latter part.
I don't give a damn about the statues. I find the methods and surge of recent contrarian civil movements to be disgusting. Trivializing a war where hundreds of thousands died to the point where simply fighting on one side brands all participants with the most deplorable goal taken out of many, which were meant to serve millions of others (or at least made to seem so), is even more disgusting.Statues of the Confederate generals do precisely that - they honor people for fighting for the "Southern Cause", which is to say, slavery.
That argument may apply to the rank and file soldiers, who may still deserve commemorated.
Are you saying that the Greeks and the founding fathers were criminals? To properly understand and evaluate history you have to view things in context and thats exactly what the ignoramuses who call for removal of symbols of confederate leaders do not understand.Nobody said we should burn the declaration of independence because a slave owner wrote it. Nobody said we should burn down Mount Vernon because a slave owner built it.
The problem with the Confederate statues is not that they happen to be statues of people who had slaves ; it's that they happen to be statues raised *because* these people fought for the cause of slavery. We can honor people's accomplishment DESPITE their crimes (And Greek Democracy, like the good Jefferson did, like the good Washington did, is worthy of honor), but we shouldn't honor someone for their crimes.
Statues of the Confederate generals do precisely that - they honor people for fighting for the "Southern Cause", which is to say, slavery.
Abe Lincoln said:"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the United States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."
Just to be clear, i am saying the ancient greeks weren't criminals, but the founding fathers i don't care about, so why not?
Though it is nice to juxtapose people who lived 2300 years apart.
Thank you, i take full credit for that.Despite that 2,300 years, many of the topics thoroughly discussed by the ancient Greeks are imo surprisingly modern and of fundamental value