Single Player bugs and crashes v36 plus (SVN) - After the 24th of October 2015
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Is that fix already in the SVN? I ask because I still see the behaviour:
I attack with grouped units a single unit. I win. All of the units have movement points left but the stack gets out of focus and will not be active anymore for this turn (unless I click on it).
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
Interesting. I'll see what I can do with this as soon as I can.
Interestingly enough that would be a separate behavior issue to address. Deals with a different function call than the previous issue. I'll run some tests and see where it's taking place. I can most likely solve this as well.
strategyonly
C2C Supreme Commander
see nelow
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
When is trade across seas supposed to happen?
Yeah, I tested the change; then I went on and added a comment in the xml explaining the change and forgot to end the comment with "-->"
Since I didn't think I needed to test my comment I uploaded a mistake.
Will fix asap; sorry for the inconvenience.
Seafaring seems a natural tech for that.
strategyonly
C2C Supreme Commander
ahaha see even after you think you made the correct item, then you changed something and POOF, error, lol, used to happen to me alot, but i learned, at least a little bit. lol. . .
also, TB
movements are not being processed correctly, i still have 1 movement on the Master Hunter, but it ended and went to another unit, when it should have stayed on the Master Hunter for that NEXT move, or i changed units ON my own . .
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
@SO,
It's been this way for ages and I do mean for many past versions. If your unit has less than 1/2 it's movement allotment left the game will move on to next unit. You have to manually go back to your unit to finish it's moves. Or remember it if all units with full moves had done their moving. Sometime the game will come back to those with partial moves, after the full set is done, but not always.
Now if T-brd or alberts2 can fix that, then
as it's been with us for a long time.
JosEPh
It's been this way for ages and I do mean for many past versions. If your unit has less than 1/2 it's movement allotment left the game will move on to next unit. You have to manually go back to your unit to finish it's moves. Or remember it if all units with full moves had done their moving. Sometime the game will come back to those with partial moves, after the full set is done, but not always.
Now if T-brd or alberts2 can fix that, then
as it's been with us for a long time.JosEPh
No, this one is new, the old issue was only with capturing 0@SO,
It's been this way for ages and I do mean for many past versions. If your unit has less than 1/2 it's movement allotment left the game will move on to next unit. You have to manually go back to your unit to finish it's moves. Or remember it if all units with full moves had done their moving. Sometime the game will come back to those with partial moves, after the full set is done, but not always.
Now if T-brd or alberts2 can fix that, then
JosEPh
units.Now it happens after every single fight, master hunter must often be selected 3 times in a turn due to the game figuratively clicking the "skip turn" button for the unit automatically after a battle.
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
No, this one is new, the old issue was only with capturing 0
Now it happens after every single fight, master hunter must often be selected 3 times in a turn due to the game figuratively clicking the "skip turn" button for the unit automatically after a battle.
Okay.
But what I described has been in Base C2C for a long time (Not using Any of the SM, FoF, or any CM components Options) and did not center on just 0
units.JosEPh
strategyonly
C2C Supreme Commander
@SO,
It's been this way for ages and I do mean for many past versions. If your unit has less than 1/2 it's movement allotment left the game will move on to next unit. You have to manually go back to your unit to finish it's moves. Or remember it if all units with full moves had done their moving. Sometime the game will come back to those with partial moves, after the full set is done, but not always.
Now if T-brd or alberts2 can fix that, then
JosEPh
But i went back to the unit and it cant move?? even though it still has 1 movement left(so it says)?? Or is the terrain a factor also??
NOW, what the heck is going on with the "animals" being able to attack my gatherer WHEN i have a Master Hunter guarding him/her on the same tile,?? (pic 1)
JosEPh_II
TBS WarLord
Toffer straightened me out
. 
Seems like growing pains for new features in the game.JosEPh
Ok i see one problem, can u fix it? So when some AI player dont have anything to build they dont use meager wealth, but they should do it... if i give them a tech that provides a new building then they start building again. So if some AI dont use meager wealth/research when they dont have anything to build they waste there production as long as they get a new building, some other AI civs use meager wealth or research, so its a trait problem? Can you fix it? Look screenshot... france using meager research, spain, britian and others dont use meager wealth or research.
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Think of it this way, unless your GH uses standout he is out hunting, paying no mind to the safety of the gatherers. If you want him to be a guide for a bunch of gatherers he would need standout.
@TB: Perhaps we would need a tag for units that says:
Spoiler :
Scratch that, just thought of a better tag (far more plausible):
•An Invisibility penalty tag that says - When sharing a tile with another unit on the same team (of a certain UnitCombat), lose x invisibility for every such units.
This tag would affect all types of invisibility and would not be used for criminals and the like.
OR
• DemandProtection (to be used on UNITCOMBAT_WORKER) - An array that defines what UnitCombats should have their invisibility negated when sharing a tile with this unit.
Edit: And why did we ever introduce the Idle process for cities? Wealth/Research/Culture/Espionage should be the process to default to when having nothing else to build.
As an ex-programmer (of now mostly obsolete languages) and much later a trainer of programmers in new techniques. Faulty comments were the worst thing to detect. Some times a compiler would indicate the problem but a lot of times not.
Guess things have not changed much, especially with all these mixed language platforms. C++, Python, XML etc. Particularly as as some are not pre-compiled.
@TB: Ambush is defined as a command and a mission, is this intentional?
Code:
<CommandInfo>
<Type>COMMAND_AMBUSH</Type>
<Description>TXT_KEY_COMMAND_AMBUSH</Description>
<bVisible>1</bVisible>
<Button>art/Buttons/Missions/AmbushCommand.dds</Button>
</CommandInfo>
<MissionInfo>
<Type>MISSION_AMBUSH</Type>
<Description>TXT_KEY_MISSION_AMBUSH</Description>
<Help>TXT_KEY_MISSION_AMBUSH_HELP</Help>
<bVisible>1</bVisible>
<iOrderPriority>16</iOrderPriority>
<Button>art/Buttons/Missions/AmbushCommand.dds</Button>
</MissionInfo>Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
The 'after a unit attacks the stack its part of freezes' problem is my top priority at the moment. However, I do wonder about SO's example... I can't see why the unit cannot move. I'll check into it but I thought that whether a unit can act or not is patently defined by if it has movement left so that one is very confusing how he can select it and still not be able to move the unit.
The rest I have my suspicions regarding and think I can take care of it fairly quickly.
The reason I don't want to make an automatic solution like that is because I want players to be capable of using such units as bait to attract in attacks on those units so that they can then ambush the unwary attackers that thought they had something to target for free.
However, it's also a learning experience. Once you've figured out what the problem was I'm pretty sure you won't forget to guard your vulnerable units with a unit with standout. The deeper issue for me is the way the AI is currently open to these flaws.
I suppose it also should be noted that I've always felt the 'hunting with a general' strategy was a terrible gimmick that should be somehow discouraged since it has absolutely no real rationale as a way to train up a military commander.
The rest I have my suspicions regarding and think I can take care of it fairly quickly.
Are you SURE you can see into the build settings on all those cities that don't have a selection? If that's it then the problem is much deeper than that because, as you suggested, wealth/research/culture IS the default if there's nothing else to do. However, there are numerous situations where as a player I've found my cities building nothing and wondered how they ended up in that position. If the AI is suffering from this kind of thing then at least we need to program in a catch to determine this every round and ensure SOMETHING is set. Problem is, I'm not sure what's causing it or really where to setup such a check... particularly without causing lots of turn time delays. I can look into it but PLEASE, given the complexity of the problem, I NEED you to absolutely rock solidly confirm that this problem really is happening and provide a test save that shows it.
I really don't want to do any of those suggestions. However, I realize there's a problem there. What I may be able to do is get the standout promo to show as suggested if 0 str units are sharing the tile with only units that have some forms of invisibility to guard them. (And have the AI care to try to guard them too.)
The reason I don't want to make an automatic solution like that is because I want players to be capable of using such units as bait to attract in attacks on those units so that they can then ambush the unwary attackers that thought they had something to target for free.
However, it's also a learning experience. Once you've figured out what the problem was I'm pretty sure you won't forget to guard your vulnerable units with a unit with standout. The deeper issue for me is the way the AI is currently open to these flaws.
I suppose it also should be noted that I've always felt the 'hunting with a general' strategy was a terrible gimmick that should be somehow discouraged since it has absolutely no real rationale as a way to train up a military commander.
Those in the pic aren't on idle. Idle always shows itself as a build selected. Those, if visibility is actually there, are simply cities that have no build selected at all.
Which is why we should run our pending xml commits with the debug dll first to ensure there aren't any major bugs.As an ex-programmer (of now mostly obsolete languages) and much later a trainer of programmers in new techniques. Faulty comments were the worst thing to detect. Some times a compiler would indicate the problem but a lot of times not.
Guess things have not changed much, especially with all these mixed language platforms. C++, Python, XML etc. Particularly as as some are not pre-compiled.
Thunderbrd
C2C War Dog
Sorta. It started as a command and I changed it to a mission. To remove a mission or command presents the same savegame compat problem that removing a game option does so the command will be removed when we break compatibility.
In the meantime, although the command is defined it won't show up in-game because no unit can qualify for it. It's automatically false on the candocommand function.
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