Something to ponder...........

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

• Disclaimer:
  
• In the following, I will quote two people. Both quotes are as exact as I can recall them - I do NOT claim the exact wording is historically correct. Also, the second quote is translated from a foreign language - any mistakes in translation are mine - and not intended.
  
• Also, I do NOT want say the two persons quoted are similar to each other in any way except those noted later on.
  
• Furthermore, I personally think they are very different, one being a democratically elected president of a free conutry, the other one of the worst dictators and one of the most evil persons in world history

Here's quote 1:

"Every country in the world now has to decide whether it is with us - or against us."

George W. Bush, President of the USA







Quote 2:

"Jetzt muß jedes Land der Welt sich entscheiden, ob es mit uns ist - oder gegen uns."

("Now, every country in the world has to decide whether it is with us - or against us.")

Adolf Hitler, Führer des Deutschen Reichs



Actually, I was shocked when i heard Bush almost word for word repeate Hitler - not because I thought he meant the same, but because he sounded so similar. Doesn't he realize that such strong rethorics may go well with a shocked and hurt nation - but sound overly drastic to the rest of the world?

For a year now I have thought about this, and the more I see of Bush the more I feel he is prone to see the world in black and white, beyond perfection and hellish evil.


What do you all think about it?????? Especially Americans and people from Arabic nations?

 

[newfangle]

If you didn't have that disclaimer, I would have come to different conclusions.

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

that's why I put it in there - to make very clear that i do NOT think they are similar.

I am simply shocked that with Bush, the exact same words ellict a so different reaction - do we really trust him that much????????? After all we cannot look into his head and see what he really thinks (though I DO belive he is NOT a fascist).

 

[Toasty]

Bush is only evil in the sense that he is a Capitalist. And there are programs for that. I do not, for a second, believe that he is alike to Hitler.

Though, that certainly is intersting .

 

[Gerard]

No comments...

Lt, regrettably, Hitler was elected too...

 

[Ohwell]

I am simply shocked that with Bush, the exact same words ellict a so different reaction - do we really trust him that much????????? After all we cannot look into his head and see what he really thinks (though I DO belive he is NOT a fascist).

While I don't think he'll be invading Europe anytime, he sure doesn't care for much except his own people. Much like Hitler, might I dare say.

Interesting quotes though!

 

[Toasty]

He was made Chancellor after Hindenburg died, to my recollection. Was there any (non-rigged) election that followed suit?

Ah, how I remember defending those poor Germans on the THC forums...

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

Originally posted by Gerard
No comments...

Lt, regrettably, Hitler was elected too...

To clarify one thing: the socalled Machtübernahme (which was not rigged) was technically illegal - but bby the time that could have been cleared there was no court to clear it anymore....

What he basically did was havew a lot of communist representatives arrestd. Now, he did have a majority of votes, but if the social democrates had staysed away the Reichstag wouldn't have had a board. So he made the Reichstag President count the 'AWOL' members (the ones he had had arrested) count as present - and got elected...............


From then on, no election was in any ways free.....

 

[Gerard]

Thanks for clarify. And I will resist any temptation to mention Tallahassee...

 

[Greadius]

I remember reading an analysim of the Bush speechwriting team. The writer came to the conclusion that in two and a half years as president, the biggest mistake he has made was saying that.

Its been a year, and he obviously hasn't followed through on it. It was meant to refer to a very specific circumstance in fighting terrorism (the speech was the first stem on the war with Afghanistan route), and only in the that context has it applied.

 

[God]

I'm sure Bush had no clue that Hitler said a similar thing (he really doesn't have a clue about anything) but its very suprising.

I guess in a way they are acting similar. Hitler bullied his neighbors to give into his demands, before the war, to give up lands, like in Austria, Chezckslovacia (sp???), and Bush is bullying nations too give into his demands.

 

[Greadius]

Originally posted by God
I guess in a way they are acting similar. Hitler bullied his neighbors to give into his demands, before the war, to give up lands, like in Austria, Chezckslovacia (sp???), and Bush is bullying nations too give into his demands.

Yes, because without the approval of Swaziland, we can never complete our goal of control of the world, because that is what Bush wants.

Your keen sense of truth has seen right through our plans

I think the word 'bully' ought to be replaced with 'bribing'.

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

Greadius: I agree that the quote is to be seen in context. Still, I get a very bad taste in my motuh when I hear something like that. And, to be fair, it seems Bush really thinks America is by far the best country in the world and doesn't have to respect other nations much (which is a far cry from attacking them)......

 

[Ohwell]

Originally posted by Lt. 'Killer' M.
Greadius: I agree that the quote is to be seen in context. Still, I get a very bad taste in my motuh when I hear something like that. And, to be fair, it seems Bush really thinks America is by far the best country in the world and doesn't have to respect other nations much (which is a far cry from attacking them)......

Right on, dude.

Greadius, please don't get so defensive! Bush IS bullying countries to give in to his wishes. It is obvious... but I don't mean he is threatening. He is just being a bit selfish, thats all!

EDIT: Changed wording to show my point better

 

[Becka]

Originally posted by Gerard
Thanks for clarify. And I will resist any temptation to mention Tallahassee...

I can just see the waves of Republican Stormtrooper accountants strongarming dissidents now.

 

[Ohwell]

Originally posted by Becka


I can just see the waves of Republican Stormtrooper accountants strongarming dissidents now.

The Galactic American Empire! I can't see it though... America would never be fascist, at least not in the forseeable future....

 

[Becka]

Originally posted by Ohwell


The Galactic American Empire! I can't see it though... America would never be fascist, at least not in the forseeable future....

Nah. I don't think you could kill all the people who get their panties in a knot when you take away the least little civil right.

 

[Richard III]

Originally posted by Greadius
I remember reading an analysim of the Bush speechwriting team. The writer came to the conclusion that in two and a half years as president, the biggest mistake he has made was saying that.

Its been a year, and he obviously hasn't followed through on it. It was meant to refer to a very specific circumstance in fighting terrorism (the speech was the first stem on the war with Afghanistan route), and only in the that context has it applied.

Well, good, because it was a pretty stupid line; one of those rare ones that sets a mood that's hard to shake years after. While in the UK, I must have had that line shoved in my face a dozen times, and about 1,000 times in Canada, and I haven't exactly been wandering the streets looking for anti-war activists to talk to.

R.III

 

[Richard III]

Originally posted by Becka
Nah. I don't think you could kill all the people who get their panties in a knot when you take away the least little civil right.

You're using that mischief smiley alot this week Becka.

I just thought someone should recognize this new trend out loud (to raise concern amongst all those who get their panties in a knot about civil rights, of course - terrible things, those rights, aren't they?).

R.III

 

[Becka]

Originally posted by Richard III


You're using that mischief smiley alot this week Becka.

Yes. It's a condition I developed from spycatcher34. "Mischief Smiley Overuse" or MSO I think the medical community is calling it now. I control it with medication. (Obviously not very well, though.)

I just thought someone should recognize this new trend out loud (to raise concern amongst all those who get their panties in a knot about civil rights, of course - terrible things, those rights, aren't they?).

R.III

It's a good new trend to recognize. Better than most trends, like cutting holes in new jeans so they look old or tie-dieing t-shirts or piercing senstive areas or something equally silly.

As for civil rights- guns? I don't think you need those. You can give them to me now. And free press? Maybe we'll put that on hold for a little while.