Soul Scourge [Game Thread - Concluded]

[remake20]

Oh I am fully award that I bandwagoned and was justifying why I did

 

[Zack]

Oh I am fully award that I bandwagoned and was justifying why I did

Maybe I wasn't clear - your reasoning for your vote is precisely what makes it scummy. You didn't suspect me but voted for me anyways because other people did. This is what I found amusing, that your justification for your vote is essentially the same reasoning people are using to accuse you in the first place.

 

[spaceman98]

When did I say in-thread analysis gets us nowhere? I pointed out the fact that no solid lynch targets existed (hence a reason perhaps for Zach's vote) and that just running through lists of people who could be scum doesn't help nail anyone. They are helpful, sure, but only as a starting point for actually trying to point out and find scum. Basically my point was that we need to go further into the suspected candidates. Which I'm fine with that being me, given as it will gain the town some knowledge based on my response.

As far as candidates go, much like how most of us started the day, I'm not really sure. Spaceman sorta feels to me like he's trying to force himself into a leadership role in a way I don't like. I am also a little skeptical of Jerrima. So you're probably wondering why I voted Zack since I haven't even mentioned him in my suspects. Mainly because he did already have a vote and I wanted to add some pressure. Given it was my second real post of the game, I did not assume anyone would actually be that keen to listen to my candidates (especially since I thought a fair amount of networking had been going on of which I knew nothing of the results) so I did what I thought was in the town's best interest from my perspective and voted Zack.

[/defense]

hmmm...

IDK.

remake was semi-active, so initially, voting for him was an easy, non-substantive vote. Then, he spoke up, but until pressured, was unhelpful. That made the vote against him justifiable. Now he's posted this (when extensively pressured).


There's one thing about this post that read town to me:

I'm one of the few publicly on-the-fence people in the thread, and he accuses me. A scourge would probably do their best to lick up to on-the-fence voters.
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On the other hand, his vote is a clear "save myself" vote. There's no point in pressuring Zack for the sake of pressure, unless you genuinely think he should be lynched: he's said more than most. In general, mafia and townies can do "save myself" votes in these situations, but I would argue that its still a scumtell, especially since there was still time in the day at that time to reverse the bandwagon (there isn't now, its just 30 minutes left).

I think I'll let the remake wagon roll through the gates.

 

[spaceman98]

self-preservation is a crime punishable by death!

 

[Kennigit]

Day 4 ends in:
[TIMER=3/4/2015 10:00 PM PST; Day 4 Over][/TIMER]​

remake20 4: verarde, SamSniped, zack, visorslash,
zack 2: remake20, count dingdong
verarde 1: jarrema
count dingdong 1: spaceman98

 

[Zack]

self-preservation is a crime punishable by death!

Voting to preserve yourself is indicative of nothing. Doing otherwise is just bad play, regardless of alignment. The only person I know is town is myself, that other guy might not be.

 

[spaceman98]

Ok that's interesting: Zack and several others were all tied at one, yet remake chose Zack.

Perhaps he just did a cursory read of the thread and made a self-preservation vote for one who seemed to be voted for most (in this case, that doesn't reflect well on his townie status)

None of the others with votes were on remakes list, but neither was Zack. Given how much lampshading went into the Zack vote, I have to wonder: IF you were scourge, why didn't you just list one of the other two (both easy victims as their inactive) on your suspects list? Of course, if you were town, why didn't you at least discuss why you rejected them as alternative options? If your on your deathbed, it makes sense to say as much as you can that could later help the town.

I'm going with the lazy scourge hypothesis. No last minute save for you.

 

[Kennigit]

Remake20 was lynched!

Spoiler :

He was a Spearman

***NOTICE****

I might not be able to really update on March 06-March 08ish. Could potentially be wonky.

Standard 24 hour night though.

Night 4 ends in:
[TIMER=3/5/2015 10:00 PM PST; Night 4 Over][/TIMER]​

Tally

remake20 4: verarde, SamSniped, zack, visorslash,
zack 2: remake20, count dingdong
verarde 1: jarrema
count dingdong 1: spaceman98

All updates linked in post 2

 

[Kennigit]

Important Rule Addendum:

The typical tiebreak in a lynch is "first to the vote". This will not be applicable if the game has a day phase with 2 players alive (1 scourge, 1 town). The scourge would win.

ninjaedits:
For completeness, openness, and simpleness, in a X scourges vs X champion lynch (for X = 1 or 2) it would be a scourge win.
Well, full disclaimer is that my flip flop is on wording it right. It "really" should be that an XvsX (with X > 1) lynch, the scourge victory condition would be that they will win mathematically (requiring the case of reducing it to a 1 vs 1 successfully). There are a lot of wonky possibilities due to the way things are set up.

 

[Visorslash]

I would like all swordsman and bowman to attack zack. Any spearman to defend myself if possible cheers

 

[Zack]

ah the ol "trust me not that guy, no I won't say why" routine.

 

[Zack]

Wonder why you switched off of me and onto remake if you were so confident I'm scum. You ensured that he was lynched and not me.

 

[Zack]

Sprig if you do indeed have a posse of swordsman and do happen to somehow be town, culling inactives would be a good idea.

wow how easy, going after inactives? Clearly visor = scourge. Therefore, night actions should be coordinated in the following manner:

- Swordsmen, I command you to kill Visorslash for being quiet and not posting enough.
- Spearmen, I publicly command you to all protect me to ensure the scourge can kill someone else who is now left unprotected.
- Bowmen and shamans, I command you to go back in time and pick a class that doesn't suck.

 

[Sprig]

- Bowmen and shamans, I command you to go back in time and pick a class that doesn't suck.

 

[Visorslash]

He's got a point

 

[spaceman98]

Wonder why you switched off of me and onto remake if you were so confident I'm scum. You ensured that he was lynched and not me.

Well, learning that remake was town does kindof change things, now doesn't it?

 

[spaceman98]

He's got a point

So we should nightkill you as he says?

In all seriousness, I see no benefit from declaring classes to be useless at this point, people can't change them, now can they. If their townies, their already more useful than scourges

 

[Visorslash]

don't get mad cause you choose shaman

 

[spaceman98]

don't get mad cause you choose shaman

As Zack put it earlier:

http://i.imgur.com/jvsIqgz.gifv

 

[Zack]

Why I don't like Visor publicly telling everyone to protect him:

- First of all, why the hell should we trust Visor over anyone else in the first place?

- If everyone is protecting one person, then everyone else is vulnerable. At this point, a spearman's defense dropping from 20 -> 15 in order to protect Visor may very well be the difference between life and death. A more even distribution of protections greatly decreases the chance of the scourge getting in 2 kills, and possibly prevents them from getting any kill in at all.

- Following from the previous point, it allows the scourge to better coordinate their attacks, whether or not Visor is scourge.

It just reeks to me, it makes no sense for a townie to call publicly for EVERYONE to protect them like that unless they have a massive ego, which is admittedly possible.