Yeah, exactly. And a species is not 'destined' to evolve into something more uber; which Star Trek continually had species do
Star Trek vs. Star Wars
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Yeah, exactly. And a species is not 'destined' to evolve into something more uber; which Star Trek continually had species do
thenooblet22
King
I like Sin Trek http://acceptable.tv/contest/tv/videos/1897-Sin-Trek
Yuri2356
Test Screening
I wonder what selective pressures and transitional forms would be found in the transition to "Blue Glowing Thingie"...
RubricousMidget
Warlord
Pink-ish/Brown-ish Gassy Thingie?I wonder what selective pressures and transitional forms would be found in the transition to "Blue Glowing Thingie"...
As for the aliens, SW avoided this problem deftly by... Erm... Eliminating any alien main characters.
Seriously, throughout the movies, only two aliens have been in the main cast. And Chewie couldn't even talk understandably, having his voice composed from animal sounds, while Jar-Jar was so stupid he couldn't represent any species able to make even a simple tool.
As for Star Trek, in the Original Series, most aliens were simple metaphors on political situations. The three exceptions, namely Klingons, Vulcans and Romulans, were given so little screen time they didn't have the chance to develop specific traits. In fact, if you were to characterize the TOS Klingons, you only need two words: "Dictatorial" and "Expansionist", whereas Romulans are "Scheming" and "Xenophobic", and Vulcans a simple human-computer blend (Or maybe well-functioning autists?).
There are only so many tales of random hazard and danger induced by outside influences you can tell, and TOS and TNG have pretty much told them all, several many times over (Misunderstood Alien Lifeform? Innocent Culture Ruled by Malevolent Entity/Machine? Rogue Entity Threatening the Enterprise?), and so, the newer Trek had to break new ground. And while the success of Voyager and Enterprise could be debated (Though both had plenty of good episodes, like VOY: Muse or Year of Hell, or ENT: In a Mirror Darkly), DS9, with its sweeping, arc-based storyline - paralleling B5, in fact, but taking its story in different directions - actually managed to top all of the preceding Treks, with a few one-off exceptions (TOS: "Mirror, Mirror", "Balance of Terror", "Trouble with Tribbles" and "Enterprise Incident", TNG: "Best of Both Worlds", "Measure of a Man" and probably some others I haven't seen.
They also evolved several cultures in quite subtle ways - the Klingons gained an air of bluster and hiding behind their reputation, to the chagrin of Worf and other traditionalist Klingons, the simmering reforms lurking just beneath the surface of the Ferengi, the Romulan inferiority complex in dealing with the bigger powers, the greatly faceted nature of the Founders, not to mention the no. 1 most complex alien race in all of Trek: The Trills - "humans" who "reincarnate", albeit with a new personality with old traits, and who remember all their old lives along the way.
In fact, the layers of the ST aliens are often ignored because you have to watch a lot of TNG and DS9 to pick up on them, and even then they usually do not flaunt themselves in your face.
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Star Wars PWNS a unrealistic utopian atmosphere of Star Trek 
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RubricousMidget
Warlord
Because of the entirely realistic and convincing "Gandalf in Space" routine 
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Xenocrates
Deity
Apologies if someone has posted these already; I only read three of the pages:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnCvpJwKKpw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HETmGE09Mco&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leEsz9ci5XE&mode=related&search=
Star Trek had the first inter-racial kiss on US TV (I believe), but then they had Wesley which kind of cancels it out.
SHUT UP WESLEY! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqZ1FMnx1ZU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnCvpJwKKpw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HETmGE09Mco&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leEsz9ci5XE&mode=related&search=
Star Trek had the first inter-racial kiss on US TV (I believe), but then they had Wesley which kind of cancels it out.
SHUT UP WESLEY! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqZ1FMnx1ZU
Yuri2356
Test Screening
Pasi Nurminen
Deity
Star Trek has anthropomorphic aliens because it's impossible for realistic aliens to be portrayed by members of the Screen Actors Guild. Up until recently, CGI technology was too expensive for Star Trek to use, and I'd rather have anthropomorphic aliens than fake looking CGI realistic aliens.
Harbourboy
Deity
If you look up "Nerd" in the dictionary, you will see a picture of this thread. This is the archetypal nerdy debate and guaranteed to get a laugh from all non-nerds (or those who actually believe they are not nerds).
Now, back to my 20 sided dice.......
Now, back to my 20 sided dice.......
Pasi Nurminen
Deity
A ha! The correct word to use in that sentence was "die". You sir are no nerd! Be gone from our thread!
RubricousMidget
Warlord
Unless he has several, which is a distinct possibility.
And "nerd" is such an ugly word.
I prefer "Captain Trekkie of the Starship Geekiness", myself
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Ecofarm
Deity
When the dinosaurs roamed the earth, the largest mammal was a small rodent (one species had an unusually large cranial cavity). 30 million years ago, monkeys appeared. 20 million years ago, apes appeared.
Spare me the EXACT geneology! I think even a moron could get the point I was making. Pointing out that humans did not come from modern monkeys is just stupid - It is highly illogical to assume that any product of millions of years will find its predecessor in modern times.
Evolution = change!? As far as bacteria being "more evolved" than humans, you need to check your definitions. Evolution is not the amount of change, it is SUCCESSFUL change: that is, evolution = change that results in a greater ability to exploit surroundings and gather resources. The fact that bacteria are an "r" type species (rapid reproduction and death) illustrates CLEARLY that it is "less evolved" than humans (a "K" type species).
Evolution is not just random mutation - it is random mutation that results in a more powerful species. In fact, if the mutation is counter to a specie's survival, then it will not be passed on to future generations; therefore, for a mutation to be considered evolution, it MUST result in a more efficient or diversified species (ie. progression into uberness).
What part of the theory of evolution do you not comprehend??
According to you, the theory of evolution proves:
bacteria > humans
I am guessing that you were just playing around, and not that you are capable of completely ignoring the founding logic of a major theory while feigning intellectual discourse.
Ecofarm
Deity
See above.
A species is not 'destined' to evolve into something uber; sometimes they go extinct instead. If, however, random mutations result in evolution: they have become more uber.
Stop confusing the theory of evolution with the "fact of random mutation".
No, evolution=change. Evolutionary success is after all relative. I am not a scientist but I try to keep up with the theory of evolution. I am not quite sure where the anger is coming from, though.
Ecofarm
Deity
Evolution does not = change! Change is constant and exists regardless of evolution. If we threw out the theory of evolution, would change cease to exist? What kind of a theory is evolution if it is simply "all things change"; wow, big thinking! Evolution is SUCCESSFUL change. Evolutionary success is NOT relative in an absolute sense (although humans have had greater evolutionary success than other species if you want to argue the details); there are no "degrees" of "evolutionary failure" (to invent a new and non-sensical term) - only extinction. For any species, there are three options: evolve, move, or go extinct. A group of humans with a random mutation to be stupid and infertile are not considered "evolved" (eg. France). I am a scientist. I am not quite sure where all the ignorance is comming from, though. None of my response(s) are based in "anger"; if you read that, it is only your psychosis. I'm just trying to clear up an obvious fallacy in a forum. Perhaps being direct and logical = anger to some people. Next time I'll try to preface with a "Sweetie,".
Back on subject:
Star Trek > Star Wars
Back on subject:
Star Trek > Star Wars
Chiyu
Prince
Star Wars all the way.
