staznesX: All Under Heaven

[silver 2039]

The Austrians

Hungary. Your Hungary.


To Britain
RE: The China Incident
From United States of America

We congratulate His Majesty on his most fine diplomatic skills.

 

[Neverwonagame3]

How long until the update?

 

[Azale]

Azale, would it be acceptable for me to form a Métis nation in the interior of North America? I have read through the timeline, and the earlier expulsions from New France, French activity in the interior of North America, and with the current unstable situation in the east of the continent, make a Métis nation seem feasible to me.

Well, since you put so much work into it...if you can fill out the template, complete with a background description, then sure you can play as a Metis nation

@neverwonagame, the update commences on 7 PM Friday. It will be finished at some point during the weekend, with the target being Saturday night.

 

[Dachs]

How long until the update?

Orders are due on Friday IIRC.

Spoiler Swedish diplomacy :

...and although I haven't involved myself in this yet, I would like to say that at this point in time in OTL, the religious excesses of the Thirty Years' War were long over. Maria Theresa and Josef II (the former of which is actually in charge of the 1750 OTL Habsburg monarchy) rolled back a few of the worst bits of the Counter-Reformation, and by and large religious and national sentiment were, if not ignored, simply not as prevalent as compared with a growing sense of cosmopolitanism. Enlightened monarchies generally didn't rely on that religious janx to motivate people. The last time anybody really tried to do anything to fool with the religious balance of Europe in this TL was when Louis XIV and Melchior de Polignac started ejecting Rhenish Protestants from the newly acquired Rhineland about thirty to forty years ago, but even that was on the far end of the spectrum because, for Christ's sakes, it's Louis, who never really thought like his contemporaries about religion anyway. And even that's pretty much past. In OTL the last gasp of the Counter-Reformation and the whole religious conflict was probably the Edict of Fontainebleau, which Louis passed in OTL 1685 to revoke the Huguenot-tolerant Edict of Nantes and which got him into a partisan war with various Huguenot groups within his kingdom (like the Vaudois).

Nowadays, pretty much everybody recognizes that a religiously based alliance system or conflict is sort of dumb. Hell, your own Sweden allied with the Muslim Ottoman Empire to fight off the Russians in OTL, and in TTL France and England fought against the Dutch, Swedes, Danes, and Bavarians - both sides of the coalition having elements of Catholic and Protestant members.

So while it might make me as a player sort of happy to see Sweden so obligingly initiating its own diplomatic isolation on rather silly grounds, I would like to tell you that pretty much nobody accepts this sort of extreme position in this day and age. Just a glance at the TL would tell you that Prussia and Denmark-Norway, both nearby Protestant countries, don't much like you, and that you have successfully worked together with France, Poland, and Bavaria in the past (all Catholic countries). So "poor realpolitik" would be attempting to gain the few countries that you know are aiming straight at you as allies, because they're the only countries that won't give two shits about what you say as they dispatch vast fleets and armies to take advantage of your weakness.

 

[das]

lurker's comment: It would be unreasonable to assume that the influence of religion here is much stronger or much weaker than in the equivalent OTL period, at least as far as Central Europe is concerned. Note, however, that realistically the Habsburgs would be much more careful and would rely on realpolitik much more so than in OTL. And they did work with Protestants in OTL.

Ultimately the matter of playing ideological and religious cards is a matter of power and/or arrogance.

 

[Dachs]

Note, however, that realistically the Habsburgs would be much more careful and would rely on realpolitik much more so than in OTL. And they did work with Protestants in OTL.

What about the Swedes?

 

[das]

lurker's comment: Swedes too, as you yourself have noted. Besides, they worked with a Cardinal who was the strongest enemy of Protestantism in his own country back during the Thirty Years War, so I think we can safely say that realpolitik rules supreme.

 

[Terrance888]

Indeed. I came so close in BombNES... I could've had Austria,Italy and Tunisia....




How are their already 6 pages of diplomacy in one day?!?

Kingdom of Saxony-Poland
CAPITAL: Dresden
RULER: King Augustus II
GOVERNMENT: Dual Monarchy (Amateur)
CENTRALIZATION: Dictatorship
POPULATION: Medium (3)
AREA: Small (2)
CONFIDENCE: Minute
ECONOMY: Stagnant (4/5/1)
TECH. GRADE: Late Enlightenment Age
ARMY FORCES: 14 Infantry, 4 Dragoons (Seasoned) (6 Art to deploy)
ARMY BASIC: Regular
NAVY FORCES: 5 Frigates (Rabble)
NAVY BASIC: Green
EDUCATION: Literate
LIVING STANDARDS: Average
INFRASTRUCTURE: Passable
PROJECTS:
MILITARY UPKEEP: 0/turn
BACKGROUND:

Really? Is this cathlic?

 

[Dachs]

Really? Is this cathlic?

Poland is, Saxony isn't. It's an odd balancing act that the king has to attempt between them.

 

[Neverwonagame3]

Orders are due on Friday IIRC.

Spoiler Swedish diplomacy :

...and although I haven't involved myself in this yet, I would like to say that at this point in time in OTL, the religious excesses of the Thirty Years' War were long over. Maria Theresa and Josef II (the former of which is actually in charge of the 1750 OTL Habsburg monarchy) rolled back a few of the worst bits of the Counter-Reformation, and by and large religious and national sentiment were, if not ignored, simply not as prevalent as compared with a growing sense of cosmopolitanism. Enlightened monarchies generally didn't rely on that religious janx to motivate people. The last time anybody really tried to do anything to fool with the religious balance of Europe in this TL was when Louis XIV and Melchior de Polignac started ejecting Rhenish Protestants from the newly acquired Rhineland about thirty to forty years ago, but even that was on the far end of the spectrum because, for Christ's sakes, it's Louis, who never really thought like his contemporaries about religion anyway. And even that's pretty much past. In OTL the last gasp of the Counter-Reformation and the whole religious conflict was probably the Edict of Fontainebleau, which Louis passed in OTL 1685 to revoke the Huguenot-tolerant Edict of Nantes and which got him into a partisan war with various Huguenot groups within his kingdom (like the Vaudois).

Nowadays, pretty much everybody recognizes that a religiously based alliance system or conflict is sort of dumb. Hell, your own Sweden allied with the Muslim Ottoman Empire to fight off the Russians in OTL, and in TTL France and England fought against the Dutch, Swedes, Danes, and Bavarians - both sides of the coalition having elements of Catholic and Protestant members.

So while it might make me as a player sort of happy to see Sweden so obligingly initiating its own diplomatic isolation on rather silly grounds, I would like to tell you that pretty much nobody accepts this sort of extreme position in this day and age. Just a glance at the TL would tell you that Prussia and Denmark-Norway, both nearby Protestant countries, don't much like you, and that you have successfully worked together with France, Poland, and Bavaria in the past (all Catholic countries). So "poor realpolitik" would be attempting to gain the few countries that you know are aiming straight at you as allies, because they're the only countries that won't give two shits about what you say as they dispatch vast fleets and armies to take advantage of your weakness.

But there was no ideological justification for such policies, so an heir to the throne who feels guilty about them is plausible. And if that, why not one who refuses to put them into practice?

 

[Luckymoose]

But there was no ideological justification for such policies, so an heir to the throne who feels guilty about them is plausible. And if that, why not one who refuses not to put them into practice?

Said heir would have no friends in the event of war.

 

[Neverwonagame3]

Not necessarily- he could still ally with other Protestants, and not be a hypocrite as long as they didn't fight Protestants themselves. (On the justification they did a lot of good by having Protestantism as the state religion)

 

[Luckymoose]

Not necessarily- he could still ally with other Protestants, and not be a hypocrite as long as they didn't fight Protestants themselves. (On the justification they did a lot of good by having Protestantism as the state religion)

The only protestants that are close enough to seriously consider being your ally, are not very friendly with you.

 

[das]

Poland is, Saxony isn't. It's an odd balancing act that the king has to attempt between them.

lurker's comment: Really, it's the least of his difficulties. I would like to officially restate my love-hate relationship with the szlachta (mostly love since it makes for such nice stories).

 

[Dachs]

The only protestants that are close enough to seriously consider being your ally, are not very friendly with you.

This was my main point as well. Like I said, Prussia and Denmark-Norway don't much like you.

 

[das]

lurker's comment: Belated correction to the map - as alex994 had pointed out in PM, Ryukyu should belong to China.

 

[Abaddon]

Should anything extra belong to the VOC?

 

[Shadowbound]

To Interested Parties
From the Tsardom of Russia

Tsar Fyodor IV, his own wisdom augmented by that of his loyal Privy Council, is contemplating the sale of Russia's American possessions, known as Alaska.

 

[Abaddon]

From the VOC
To the Tsardom of Russia

We would like to register our intent to purchase this land. Do you have a price in mind?

 

[Neverwonagame3]

From Sweden
To Tsardom of Russia

We also wish to purchase these lands.