Student takeover at Evergreen State College

[Leoreth]

So the alt-right is a convenient bogeyman for preventing the criticism of extreme "leftist" behaviour?

No, the alt right is a genuine threat to minorities, democracy and society as a whole.

Over the top lefty stuff happening at universities is just that, stuff happening at universities. It is up to the community of the university itself to address and resolve issues like this, and it doesn't really affect politics outside of that community. Why even drag it out of that context.

 

[Peuri]

No, the alt right is a genuine threat to minorities, democracy and society as a whole.

Over the top lefty stuff happening at universities is just that, stuff happening at universities. It is up to the community of the university itself to address and resolve issues like this, and it doesn't really affect politics outside of that community. Why even drag it out of that context.

While I agree that the alt right is far more dangerous, things that happen in the universities spill to the rest of the society. That kind of behaviour as is shown in those videos seem pretty virulent. In time they will graduate and think it's fine to just label people they disagree as racists ovet literally nothing and potentially destroy peoples careers and mental health with that kind of mass bullying.

 

[luiz]

No, the alt right is a genuine threat to minorities, democracy and society as a whole.

Over the top lefty stuff happening at universities is just that, stuff happening at universities. It is up to the community of the university itself to address and resolve issues like this, and it doesn't really affect politics outside of that community. Why even drag it out of that context.

Seems to me the alt-right hasn't done much of concrete damage yet. Minorities are not more oppressed ever since Breitbart became a thing.

But this nutjob left is causing concrete damage to thousands of students, professors, and people who have to deal with other milieus infested with SJWs.

 

[Commodore]

No, the alt right is a genuine threat to minorities, democracy and society as a whole.

If they are a genuine threat, then you shouldn't have a problem citing concrete examples of this supposed threat. I keep hearing people say stuff like this, but when pressed on how exactly they are a threat, all I ever get is vague statements, conspiracy theories, and "what if" fearmongering.

 

[Hygro]

Evergreen is the school for all of this. We want to test everything right? Here's a lab for.... that.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

No, the alt right is a genuine threat to minorities, democracy and society as a whole.

Over the top lefty stuff happening at universities is just that, stuff happening at universities. It is up to the community of the university itself to address and resolve issues like this, and it doesn't really affect politics outside of that community. Why even drag it out of that context.

Did you even read what I was replying to?

 

[yung.carl.jung]

If they are a genuine threat, then you shouldn't have a problem citing concrete examples of this supposed threat. I keep hearing people say stuff like this, but when pressed on how exactly they are a threat, all I ever get is vague statements, conspiracy theories, and "what if" fearmongering.

You ignore everything that does not fit you view. You've ignored my latest three posts targeted at you, because you know you were misinformed and spouting non-truths.

A source has already been posted ITT. You could have just dug it up. It is a compilation of all "alt right" associated crime in the US. The source is not mine and I don't support/associate with these socialists on Reddit, though they are doing an important job either way:

https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/675rlh/why_are_leftists_so_violent/

Though why am I even typing this up, as again you have demonstrated to just conveniently ignore anything you don't feel like hearing

 

[Ryika]

Not that I'd want to defend the alt right, but half of that post are claims made without evidence for us to examine.

 

[civver_764]

For compare and contrast, I found a similar list: https://fusiontables.google.com/data?docid=1hmh7MncFInF_LmbYBA9bePIYFyqQhU6Zj9ro9jB7#rows:id=1

 

[yung.carl.jung]

Not that I'd want to defend the alt right, but half of that post are claims made without evidence for us to examine.

Are we looking at the same link? For me it is just a big blob of news articles paraphrased by the OP. Every single "claim" is sourced, often they are somewhat identical with the headline of the actual news report.

But even if somehow less than half of those turned out to be true that would still warrant calling the "alt right" a threat, no? Which was the gist of the discussion.

I expected this source to be somewhat biased, since after all it is a dedicated socialist board. But it was worth posting after Berzerker claimed evidence wasn't posted earlier

 

[yung.carl.jung]

For compare and contrast, I found a similar list: https://fusiontables.google.com/data?docid=1hmh7MncFInF_LmbYBA9bePIYFyqQhU6Zj9ro9jB7#rows:id=1

From one of your links, just had to copy/pasty this:

19-year-old D'Asia R. Perry of Baltimore was identified as a suspect.

Very creative naming indeed.

 

[Ryika]

Are we looking at the same link? For me it is just a big blob of news articles paraphrased by the OP. Every single "claim" is sourced, often they are somewhat identical with the headline of the actual news report.

Yes, we are looking at the same thing. That list was posted a few times before, and I had already gone through it before, the violent crimes obviously did happen, but most of the crimes where people claim they spouted pro-Trump stuff without any evidence.

But even if somehow less than half of those turned out to be true that would still warrant calling the "alt right" a threat, no? Which was the gist of the discussion.

That's true of course, I just take issue when people post lists that contain hate crimes that could be made up in their entirety in light of the cases where we have proof that they have been made up that have popped up lately.

 

[El_Machinae]

Seems to me the alt-right hasn't done much of concrete damage yet. Minorities are not more oppressed ever since Breitbart became a thing.

But this nutjob left is causing concrete damage to thousands of students, professors, and people who have to deal with other milieus infested with SJWs.

Kay, I'll agree on the regressive left. They're slipping into a point-of-no-return in the damages they're causing to both longterm progress and to the current conversation. But gosh, the alt-right absolutely is a thing that is causing damage. Trump's stupid travel ban outright disrupted lives and plans. Trump's stupid immigration vibe has caused all kinds of misallocated resources and abuses.

There's a huge problem when bureaucrats are given increased responsibility, increased mandate, and decreased attention. And their victims decreased empathy.

The damage caused isn't zero sum. It's not like the rise of the regressive left negates damage caused by the rise of the alt-right.

 

[civver_764]

Trump's stupid travel ban outright disrupted lives and plans.

I mean...so what? When you enforce immigration restrictions that is of course going to affect the lives and plans of immigrants, but does that necessarily make it wrong? Take Japan for example, who only accepted 28 refugees in 2016. Nobody is vilifying them, so why is it wrong when Trump does it?

Also, I don't think you can blame the alt-right for this, it's a much larger group than that. There are many Americans that want to restrict immigration from these Muslim countries, like it or not, and Trump is just giving them what they voted for. It'd be more accurate to blame ISIS and other Islamic terrorists for this.

 

[El_Machinae]

I mean...so what?

His attempt was ham-handed, stupid, brutal, and useless. And the alt-right gives him cover.

"So what"? Really??? No, it hurt people. Stupidly, ham-handly, and uselessly.

There's an immigration and travel mandate on the government. They have to control these things. I get that. You get that. I know you get that. And you know that I get that.

But his travel ban hurt people. Uselessly. Because of the alt-right, and their worldview and the mandate they created and empowered.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Can someone actually define what "alt-right" is, and how it differs from the plain old right? Why is Trump, for example, alt-right?

 

[Ajidica]

Can someone actually define what "alt-right" is, and how it differs from the plain old right? Why is Trump, for example, alt-right?

Alt-Right are basically edgelords who have fallen in with the reactionary bigots.
In other words, a funhouse mirror version of teenage communists.

 

[Bugfatty300]

I mean...so what? When you enforce immigration restrictions that is of course going to affect the lives and plans of immigrants, but does that necessarily make it wrong? Take Japan for example, who only accepted 28 refugees in 2016. Nobody is vilifying them, so why is it wrong when Trump does it?

Japan is in fact infamous for being an extremely insular xenophobic racist society. It goes without saying. But when an established immigrant society like the US suddenly changes policy it's obviously going to cause a lot more problems and anger, especially when its executed in a clumsy and idiotic way.

 

[El_Machinae]

Can someone actually define what "alt-right" is, and how it differs from the plain old right? Why is Trump, for example, alt-right?

Trump ran on a campaign of blaming minorities for the majority's woes. Now, racism and bigotry could easily manifest in the Right. But the Right is greater than than. The Alt-Right holds it as a core and spoken belief.

The Right, in the end, is pro-trade. Protectionism creeps in through political vice and moral failures. And often merely as an inability to fix an issue while only having blunt tools. Trump ran on a campaign of tariffs and trade restrictions.

The Alt-Right embraces an 'us vs them' worldview. It's okay to mistreat a person because a different person misbehaved. Trump, classy man that he is, attacked Ted Cruz's wife. Maliciously and oafishly. The Right actually does hold as a core policy that people are individuals. Now, it's not actually possible to enact this in an ideal way, the world is fuzzy. The Right may have glorified rugged. But the alt-right glorifies foul.

The Right, in the end, believes that the country is run through checks and balances. The alt-right wants their King Saul. Trump literally not only doesn't understand the constraints on the Presidency, and why they're necessary. He hates them. And then he hates that judges exist. He hates the media. And they do too.

There's a reason why the KKK endorsed so early.

 

[civver_764]

Japan is in fact infamous for being an extremely insular xenophobic racist society. It goes without saying. But when an established immigrant society like the US suddenly changes policy it's obviously going to cause a lot more problems and anger, especially when its executed in a clumsy and idiotic.

Sounds like a double standard to me. Shouldn't we do something about all those Nazis in Japan?