Superpowers of the next century!

So you believe India has more chances than Europe because of the Eastern European countries in Europe, which are anyway richer than most parts of India?

No i am saying India has mroe chance because Europe has too many members to make a decision. It could have been a super power when there was just 15 states, and even thats alot but with the inclusion of the eastern european states there are 27 countries. All too busy bickering with each other over petty things than actually making a decision
 
^ Yeah, but that's already SF. If we could do that in huge quantities, we would use Global Warming in our advantage, and will keep the growing waters under control by "manually" inserting phreatic water below the Sahara, Gobi and Rub Al-Khali. Those areas would all become useable in some decades.

But that's very, very far away, and we don't know if we'll be able to do that.

right now, one colonel is actually sucking water from under Sahara...

It's a shame, because I kind of like him.
 
on anything

Define anything, because at this rate the EU is still going to be a far more viable power than India for a long time.
 
Very interesting topic.

USA, China and India have spots already. If russia get's back on track then there likely to be a superpower again. Brazil, Iran and Saudi Arabia are possibilities. If Venezuela get's back on track as well then they can become rich and a regional superpower. Not sure about them being a global power though. Other then that, the EU. And possibly Australia if the exploit there resources. As someone said before, the area around the caspain sea has huge amounts of Oil etc. So my prediction is that there going to become small powers, but not super powers.
 
Define anything, because at this rate the EU is still going to be a far more viable power than India for a long time.

Gee how do you define anything? uhhh anything? Again, 27 bickering countries can not be more effeicent then a united country
 
Gee how do you define anything? uhhh anything? Again, 27 bickering countries can not be more effeicent then a united country

:lol: Once again you exhibit your limited understanding. What is "anything"? You need to come up with some concrete illustration on how the European Parliament is less effective than the Indian Congress (I think it's called a congress). And India has quite a number of states, and these states have their own governments and are not developing at the same pace as each other. Some states suffer from weak government and are notoriously poor. So, again your definition of "united" is pretty simplistic and unrealistic. A single country isn't necessarily more efficient than a collection of countries.
 
:lol: Once again you exhibit your limited understanding. What is "anything"? You need to come up with some concrete illustration on how the European Parliament is less effective than the Indian Congress (I think it's called a congress). And India has quite a number of states, and these states have their own governments and are not developing at the same pace as each other. Some states suffer from weak government and are notoriously poor. So, again your definition of "united" is pretty simplistic and unrealistic. A single country isn't necessarily more efficient than a collection of countries.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,361374,00.html

With France and Britain showing a complete unwillingness to compromise on the European Union's next budget, a major summit in Brussels collapsed on Friday. The EU is in a rut and it's not clear how it will get out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3315447.stm

European summit ends in failure......European Union leaders have failed to reach agreement on a constitution at a crucial summit in Brussels.

If such highly developed countries like UK, Netherlands, France and Germany can not even work out a constitution or even plan a budget, can they actually work together in enough harmony to become a superpower?

India on the other hand has both a budget and a constitution and has taken part in several victorius wars so does that make them more or less effecient.

And India has quite a number of states, and these states have their own governments and are not developing at the same pace as each other.
America has 50 something states and I dont have a map of Jesusland

Some states suffer from weak government and are notoriously poor.

Seeing that India is considered poor, no it does not suprise me that some states are poor. Are you trying to say they get no funding? India is still developing and is a huge country. Being only 50 next year and still in indrustrialisation. Again it does not surprise me some states have weak, maybe corrupt goverments.
 
Do not confuse population density with superpower status. Political cohesion, technology, willngness for power and ambition is much more important.

I can see USA, Russia, China and to some extent Japan playing the lead role.
The EU will tag behind the American project.
 
I would say anyone that has atleast 1% of the world population, and access to a large enough amount of resources (an area larger than the size of France or the Ukraine these days) stands a good chance at becoming a superpower. That's a minimum of about 66 million, roughly 18 countries - not including the EU (or you could use 3% as a 'comfortable' estimate, and that's 198 million, which leaves China, India, US, and Indonesia. Brazil is just under that figure, and I'm not sure if Indonesia's size will allow them to have the spread of resources they would need.). Those that fall in the 1-2% range are - Brazil, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Russia, Japan, Mexico, Philippines, Vietnam, Germany, Ethiopia, Egypt, Turkey, and Iran - some of which, are obviously too small (Bangladesh) to even be a superpower.

If I could set up rules defining a superpower...

1 - Directly control 3% of the world's population within the nation's borders. (large potential workforce in case of war)
2 - Must have global militaristic (as in having the equipment to move large amounts of troops to the other side of the world for an extended period of time. Skill is also a factor), political, and cultural influence.
3 - Must have a strong economy (industry, workforce, and one that can withstand a large population. I'm no economist, but if you go by GDP, it seems most nations have a better economy due to their small size or small population. There's probably another factor like economic potential of larger nations, like China, India and Brazil.)
4 - Must have a common language (written - i.e., medieval China - or oral -- doesn't have to be official).
5 - Loyalty to the country over ethnic, religious and ideological lines.

China and India certainly fit the population ranking. China definately fits global culture (why do you think there's a Chinese Carry out at every shopping center? It's the McDonalds of the Far East). Political influence is quite regional right now, I think, as well as military. I'm not sure about India's political and military influnce - pakistan maybe? But that's just a regional dispute. I think they have parts of SE Asia in the cultural side, but it's not global yet. (No, Sanjay Gupta on CNN doesn't count! :p) India certainly is drawing in a high tech workforce, which means more money into their economy, and a higher GDP. I've read that China, India, and Brazil all have the potential for superpower status, although I'm not sure if Brazil is large enough, or even has the worldwide influence. I've seen some put Nigeria into the list (vast diamond resources, I suppose), but I don't think even they're large enough, and do have a distinct north/south split over religion.


As far as "superstates" are concerned...

European Union - I think they still have a long way to go in unifying on many issues before really combining as one nation.
African Union - While almost every nation in Africa belongs to it, I think it functions more like the UN and a trade union than a super-national union.
North American Union - Still in its' infancy, I think. (Now put down those tin-foil hats! :p)
South American Union - I think a step or two behind the NAU.
 
I would say anyone that has atleast 1% of the world population, and access to a large enough amount of resources (an area larger than the size of France or the Ukraine these days) stands a good chance at becoming a superpower. That's a minimum of about 66 million, roughly 18 countries - not including the EU (or you could use 3% as a 'comfortable' estimate, and that's 198 million, which leaves China, India, US, and Indonesia. Brazil is just under that figure, and I'm not sure if Indonesia's size will allow them to have the spread of resources they would need.). Those that fall in the 1-2% range are - Brazil, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Russia, Japan, Mexico, Philippines, Vietnam, Germany, Ethiopia, Egypt, Turkey, and Iran - some of which, are obviously too small (Bangladesh) to even be a superpower.

I can't really see Brazil, Pakistan, Nigeria, Mexico, Philippines, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Egypt, Turkey and Iran as candidates for leadership.

However, Brazil can work something out with Argentina, Egypt could figure something out with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States and

Russia, Japan and China are all full of potential. India does not have the internal strength to make it happen. Then again, for global leadership, we could see Britain and a revitalized Commonwealth challenge the US leadership, as language and global appeal is part the package.
 
I can't really see Brazil, Pakistan, Nigeria, Mexico, Philippines, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Egypt, Turkey and Iran as candidates for leadership.

However, Brazil can work something out with Argentina, Egypt could figure something out with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States and

Russia, Japan and China are all full of potential. India does not have the internal strength to make it happen. Then again, for global leadership, we could see Britain and a revitalized Commonwealth challenge the US leadership, as language and global appeal is part the package.

Of course you beeing from England clearly as no influence in your statement. Britain is UE, but then again when it comes to take the credits of something they aren´t, since they are a commonwealth, they achieved it all on their own.

As for Brazil, a 200 million people country with oil, a growing economy is clearly no candidate to assume a world leadership.
 
Problem with Brazil is the immense production and wealth disparity. If Britain is bad on the Gini Index, Brazil is the recordholder worst. Add corruption and several other factors. But Brazil can become a major contender, the only one from the Latin world, that is quite clear. Yet, Brazil needs to do something with crime, corruption, the plantation economy and so on.
 
I can't really see Brazil, Pakistan, Nigeria, Mexico, Philippines, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Egypt, Turkey and Iran as candidates for leadership.
Well, Mexico, Egypt and Iran would be credible candidates as regional powers, perhaps Vietnam, too, even if it's sandwiched between China and Thailand. Although Thailand's loss due to the junta is Vietnam's gain. Ethiopia is simply too poor and has too many internal problems, notwithstanding lots of military aid from the US. Turkey's future would be in the European Union but if it doesn't turn out that way, Turkey may become more assertive about regional problems, such as Iraq or Armenia..

Then again, for global leadership, we could see Britain and a revitalized Commonwealth challenge the US leadership, as language and global appeal is part the package.

I doubt that very much. Sure, lots of Commonwealth countries have plenty of ressources but have a long, long way to go in terms of democracy or even stable leadership. Anyway, it seems doubtful that those countries that just had gotten rid of their colonial powers come flying back into Britannia's arms. ;)
Britain's superpower status is gone since World War Two or, at the latest, since the Suez Crisis. Its future, political and economical, is in the EU - even if a lot of people across the Channel don't like that idea.
 
I can't really see Brazil, Pakistan, Nigeria, Mexico, Philippines, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Egypt, Turkey and Iran as candidates for leadership.

However, Brazil can work something out with Argentina, Egypt could figure something out with Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States and

Russia, Japan and China are all full of potential. India does not have the internal strength to make it happen. Then again, for global leadership, we could see Britain and a revitalized Commonwealth challenge the US leadership, as language and global appeal is part the package.

I never said they would be. They just meet one criteria. England? I'm not so sure about. Maybe 350 years ago when they had colonies all over the place England itself (minus Wales, Scotland, Ireland) is about the size of Italy (I'm guessing here). Now, maybe if England were to lead the European Union, but then again, it would be the EU, not England.
 
England: 130,395 km²
Italy: 301,318 km²
 
England: 130,395 km²
Italy: 301,318 km²

Well, atleast maybe Great Britain. But, it's hard to tell on Google Earth or Google Maps sometimes.
 
As far as "superstates" are concerned...

European Union - I think they still have a long way to go in unifying on many issues before really combining as one nation.
African Union - While almost every nation in Africa belongs to it, I think it functions more like the UN and a trade union than a super-national union.
North American Union - Still in its' infancy, I think. (Now put down those tin-foil hats! :p)
South American Union - I think a step or two behind the NAU.

Actually, the South Americans have actually gotten around to forming a union (the [wiki]Union of South American Nations[/wiki]), but the process is going a bit slowly. Still, they probably won't be too far behind schedule in achieving their aims of an integrated market, common passport, and foreign-policy coordination. North America as yet has only NAFTA, so I'd say that the South Americans are ahead of us now. I'd credit it to stronger cultural links (all of the significant South American nations speak either Spanish or Portuguese, which are easy to learn if you know one...and as I recall, a Portuguese speaker can understand most things said in Spanish, though not the other way around), and to the wave of the left that has swept South America, meaning that most of the countries are on the same page politically (the current bloc of conservative government in North America will not last very long as the US is more than likely to elect a Democratic President and Congress next year).
 
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