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The US, China, Russia, EU, and South Africa
Superpowers of the next century!
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Israelite9191
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If you listen to most knwoledgable economists:
BRIC: Brazil (disputable), Russia, India, China
plus US and EU bloc.
EDIT: Or BRICS: Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. Personally, I don't see South Africa having anywhere near the same potential as Brazil, Russia, India, and China. If a bloc of African countries got their act together similarly to South Africa, that would be something, but South Africa alone is dubious at best.
EDIT 2: Possibly also an Arab Mid East power, but with the gradual decline of oil, the divided nature of the Persian Gulf, the fundamentalist conservativism of Saudi Arabia, it is not all that likely. Iran could, if it gets its act together, emerge as a major power, which seems more likely than the Arabs.
BRIC: Brazil (disputable), Russia, India, China
plus US and EU bloc.
EDIT: Or BRICS: Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. Personally, I don't see South Africa having anywhere near the same potential as Brazil, Russia, India, and China. If a bloc of African countries got their act together similarly to South Africa, that would be something, but South Africa alone is dubious at best.
EDIT 2: Possibly also an Arab Mid East power, but with the gradual decline of oil, the divided nature of the Persian Gulf, the fundamentalist conservativism of Saudi Arabia, it is not all that likely. Iran could, if it gets its act together, emerge as a major power, which seems more likely than the Arabs.
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The MEC, US, Brazil, Russia, EU, India, China, Japan, and South Africa...
The MEC, US, Brazil, Russia, EU, India, China, Japan, and South Africa...
rilnator
Emperor
South Africa? Maybe a rugby superpower, but definitely not a world super power.
deanjack
Ruler of the Universe
On the subjest of the E.U a lot of people are skeptical that it will be united as i am myself. I beleive it will happen 1 day but there will certainly be opposition especially in the U.K where even some people in the U.K want idependance for member countries(especially in Scotland as SNP are in charge).
I hope the E.U does'nt unite as it would drag down the economies of countries like Germany and the U.K.(The pound is very strong just noe, especially against the dollar).
A united europe would ruin some things that the government have spent years building up. Think about the NHS, the British govenment has spent years putting lots of money into it however if Europe was united it may not have free healthcare.(Or an insurance based system like in the U.S)
I hope the E.U does'nt unite as it would drag down the economies of countries like Germany and the U.K.(The pound is very strong just noe, especially against the dollar).
A united europe would ruin some things that the government have spent years building up. Think about the NHS, the British govenment has spent years putting lots of money into it however if Europe was united it may not have free healthcare.(Or an insurance based system like in the U.S)
Don't worry, you'll get French mob marching to burn Bruxelles down before they accept a united Europe without healthcare
Mirc
Not mIRC!!!
Don't worry, it won't be fully united until all its members reach the degree of development that the current leading ones have.
(after that, I certainly hope it will, but I don't know when it'll happen)
Love
Deity
It's the greatest power in africa, thats why
carmen510
Deity
Actually, Nigeria, Egypt, and Algeria can compete. Algeria and Nigeria have oil/natural gas (And Nigeria has lots of hackers) and Egypt can basically control a vital sea route via the Suez Canal.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
I don't know about that, but I'd say it has a great deal of potential, more so than most other African nations.
Lockesdonkey
Liberal Jihadist
Strike Egypt from that list. It is a fully bought and paid for subsidary of United States of America, Inc.
Stolen Rutters
Deity
They sure as death don't act like it. We aren't getting our money's worth!
Oh, to stay on topic, new superpowers? EU, China, Russia.
New regional powers? Yeah, put South Africa in there. Maybe Brazil, definitely India. I would have said Iran two or three years ago, but they seem to be imploding under seriously poor management. Their oil wealth is running out of steam only a generation from now, and if they don't develop a non-oil industry soon, they could be in trouble.
It's all about how much value your labor can add to the system, or using leverage to sustain productivity growth (as the terminology goes). They are not incentivizing growth, which will put them behind in the long run. You can be as religious as you want, but not knowing how to manage your resources is a sin of the greatest proportion for a leader, that is if you have any sense of responsibility.
St Exupère
Warlord
Europe will only be united (again) when justice shall be rendered throughout all its courts against the same absolute moral principles - and not necessarily in the same language, nor according to the same book of law.
If this is achieved (which I do not believe) then all the rest, with the help of time and the pressure of external conflicts, will follow.
Marla_Singer
United in diversity
Sorry to interrupt you but could you tell me exactly when Europe has been united in the past ?St Exupère;5620247 said:
The Roman Empire was only about the Mediterranean Sea, both Napoleon and Hitler have never eliminated all their opponents (they've actually been eliminated by them). As such, the only remaining competitor would be the Vatican City during the High Middle Age (before the Reform), but there were so strong local powers everywhere that I doubt it could really be considered as "united".
Nope, at the opposite of the Indian and Chinese subcontinents, the European subcontinent has never been united. Considering the limited space of each of its kingdoms and their constant competition for domination, this is probably the reason why Europe has colonized the whole world despite being less technologically advanced untill the 16th century.
However, now that the world is a fully globalized village and that Europe's advance has been caught back by many others, what used to be an advantage has become a severe drawback. Either Europe unites or Europe gets colonized. There's no middle ground.
St Exupère
Warlord
I was indeed thinking about the Catholic Church, and the christian faith. Europe has never been united politically but it has been spiritually, morally and even legally with the roman canon applied on the majority of jurisdictions in the Middle-Ages along with other, local and/or traditional, sources of law. Hence a clear European civilization, that was so strong and homogeneous that it was able to conquer the world and did not break apart until the double-suicide attempt of the XXth century.
This being said, I fully agree (see my other posts in this thread) that Europe is not only under the threat of colonization, but that the process has already started - a colonization that takes various forms, some deadlier than others. A utopist will to unite politically at all costs will IMO produce the opposite effect. It is in terms of identity, in the unity of hearts and minds, that Europe can survive and retain its sovereignity. There is only one path to this: renewed christian foundations - just like 1000 years ago when we were under "similar" threats.
This being said, I fully agree (see my other posts in this thread) that Europe is not only under the threat of colonization, but that the process has already started - a colonization that takes various forms, some deadlier than others. A utopist will to unite politically at all costs will IMO produce the opposite effect. It is in terms of identity, in the unity of hearts and minds, that Europe can survive and retain its sovereignity. There is only one path to this: renewed christian foundations - just like 1000 years ago when we were under "similar" threats.
Lockesdonkey
Liberal Jihadist
They sure as death don't act like it. We aren't getting our money's worth!
The government does what it's told: it provides torture services, military bases, an "alliance" with the largest power in the Middle East, and someone to generally do the USA's Mideast dirty work (i.e. the things the higherups need done, but can't have the US do for political/image reasons...and might even be contradictory to what we have declared our interests to be). You can almost see their mission statement: "At Arab Republic of Egypt LLC, it is our mission to serve our client's wishes to the fullest in those matters which he or she should find uncomfortable, and to do so with zeal, courtesy, and an upright image." In exchange, the US provides cash, food, and guns. The people are another matter...
St Exupère;5620247 said:
What absolute moral principles? From where?
Mirc
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aronnax
Let your spirit be free
I can actually see America collasping and suffering a second depresion if say countries using US dollars switch to Euro or Yen and China want its money back.
Okay lets see the few contenders
China is a definite in, its large land mass and population at its feet, it massive economy. Its power seen in military strenght, influence and economicaly. But it has to bring its new weatlh to its povety. Deeper parts of china are pretty much splat compared to the coast. It also has pollution, corruption and rampant diseases to fix.
India is also gonna be a Superpower. Like China its huge in size and population and its growing quickly economically and industrially especially its IT base. But like China it has pollution to mend but i am not sure if corruption is rampant.
Europe not so much. Maybe before it included the Eastern European States but not now. Basically getting 27 countries to agree on something is gonna be hard. I mean you are asking 27 different countries of different thinking, culture and polictics to agree on one thing. Not gonna be easy.
Okay lets see the few contenders
China is a definite in, its large land mass and population at its feet, it massive economy. Its power seen in military strenght, influence and economicaly. But it has to bring its new weatlh to its povety. Deeper parts of china are pretty much splat compared to the coast. It also has pollution, corruption and rampant diseases to fix.
India is also gonna be a Superpower. Like China its huge in size and population and its growing quickly economically and industrially especially its IT base. But like China it has pollution to mend but i am not sure if corruption is rampant.
Europe not so much. Maybe before it included the Eastern European States but not now. Basically getting 27 countries to agree on something is gonna be hard. I mean you are asking 27 different countries of different thinking, culture and polictics to agree on one thing. Not gonna be easy.
Mirc
Not mIRC!!!
So you believe India has more chances than Europe because of the Eastern European countries in Europe, which are anyway richer than most parts of India?
