Sweeslamistan

[Agent327]

Well, this thread looks pleasantly derailed.

 

[Jernsida]

I'm quite proud of Sweden and the fact that we accept refugees when other do not. The problem is not with our immigration. The problem is with other nation’s imperialism and reluctance to own up to its effects on civilians.

Södertälje is the 16th city in Sweden by population and has taken more Iraqi/Syrian refugees than the entire continent of North America. Feel the shame warmongers.

Also, we formally recognised the state of Palestine yesterday. About bloody time! Such breath of fresh air having a new government that does not reduce the country to a short sighted income statement.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/03/sweden-recognise-state-palestine

 

[Yeekim]

One can call Swedish immigration policy a lot of things, but "selfish" or "profit-oriented" definitely aren't among them.

 

[Farm Boy]

I'm quite proud of Sweden and the fact that we accept refugees when other do not. The problem is not with our immigration. The problem is with other nation’s imperialism and reluctance to own up to its effects on civilians.

Södertälje is the 16th city in Sweden by population and has taken more Iraqi/Syrian refugees than the entire continent of North America. Feel the shame warmongers.

Well, I'm glad you are proud. Nationalism does give a pleasant little buzz. You're going to have to qualify them North American warmongers though, we're hardly of one mind and some of us are probably significantly more annoyed about these things than you are.

 

[warpus]

I'm quite proud of Sweden and the fact that we accept refugees when other do not. The problem is not with our immigration. The problem is with other nation’s imperialism and reluctance to own up to its effects on civilians.

Södertälje is the 16th city in Sweden by population and has taken more Iraqi/Syrian refugees than the entire continent of North America.

What sort of plan do you have in place that will ensure that all these immigrants integrate well with Swedish society and won't be a drain on your resources in a way that you won't be able to manage?

Your plan.. let's see it.

 

[Jernsida2]

The plan is to give people who need refuge from torture or death a sanctuary. This is an inherent decency with most people. If you want the long answer I suggest you this link (It’s available in many languages) http://www.migrationsverket.se.

 

[warpus]

That's not what I asked though. I asked what the plan is to integrate these people into your society and what plan is in place to ensure that the project doesn't overwhelm your system and become too expensive for your social safety net.

It's fine to say that there isn't a plan. I'm just wondering if it exists, and if so, what it is.

 

[aelf]

It's funny how creative destruction is such a popular concept in economics, but at least some of the people who embrace it recoil at the thought of it being applied socially and culturally.

 

[Phrossack]

It's funny how creative destruction is such a popular concept in economics, but at least some of the people who embrace it recoil at the thought of it being applied socially and culturally.

While I'm not exactly a fan of economic creative destruction, is it any more ironic than people acknowledging Darwinism in biology but recoiling in horror when it's applied to society? There's nothing hypocritical about that.

 

[Jernsida3]

That's not what I asked though. I asked what the plan is to integrate these people into your society and what plan is in place to ensure that the project doesn't overwhelm your system and become too expensive for your social safety net.

It's fine to say that there isn't a plan. I'm just wondering if it exists, and if so, what it is.

Well, I’m not accountable for your questions. In fact I find them to be beside the point. Sweden has one of the most generous migration policies in the world. This is a good thing. Can we improve? Of course we can.
(Since the civfanatic admins keep banning my accounts, I will not be able to respond reliably)

 

[Borachio]

What's going on? That's the third Jernsida I've seen.

Isn't there, like, a law against double log ins?

edit: Oh I see, you keep getting banned (I wonder why). I bet there's a way round that too. I don't have a clue what it is.

 

[warpus]

Well, I’m not accountable for your questions. In fact I find them to be beside the point. Sweden has one of the most generous migration policies in the world. This is a good thing. Can we improve? Of course we can.
(Since the civfanatic admins keep banning my accounts, I will not be able to respond reliably)

Alright, I'll assume that such a plan doesn't exist then. Thanks for the input, easily offended stranger!

How is it beside the point, by the way? Aren't the lives and wellbeing of your children and the next generation of Swedish people important? Wouldn't it be a bad thing if your social safety net was overwhelmed and your country left unable to deal with the fallout?

 

[Jernsida4]

The plan is in the link I gave you before. If you are interested you should read it. It’s available in English and also in Polish.
My point is - we are Sweden. We are one of the richest countries around. We sure know how to rustle the weak and get a sweet deal. H&M and IKEA has subcontractors in Bangladesh working at absolute minimum for our benefits. We have a price to pay. As do you knuckle-dragging inbreeds in Canada. The least we can do is to help those in absolute peril without being too smart about it.

 

[aelf]

While I'm not exactly a fan of economic creative destruction, is it any more ironic than people acknowledging Darwinism in biology but recoiling in horror when it's applied to society? There's nothing hypocritical about that.

Whoever "acknowledge[d and still acknowledges] Darwinism in biology" also tended/tends to be fine with it being applied to society, I'd wager.

 

[warpus]

So this guy keeps getting banned, right? I'm just going to stop responding to him and assume that Sweden is doomed.

 

[aelf]

He has a point, though. It's a bit rich for people to be nay-saying what Sweden is doing when their own countries are not pulling their weight.

It's like asking a guy who's giving lots of money to charity, "So what are you going to do about your retirement, huh?" This coming from people who hardly give a penny would only make those people seem like diaper-wearing libertarians still living in their parents' basements.

 

[Farm Boy]

Not sure that anyone has nay-say'd him at all. Have we?

 

[aelf]

It's in the tone of the posts. I'd say they're made in a rather challenging manner.

Again, to use the charity example, it's like asking the generous guy, "So what are you going to about your retirement? Your plan... let's see it." Still diaper-wearing libertarian material.

 

[Farm Boy]

I'm not sure I'm getting any particular hostile tone towards the immigration policy in response to Jernsida. Perhaps some eye-rolling as to the more jingoistic portions of his posts(warmongers, knuckle-draggin, inbreds, that sort of content), but not towards the immigration policy. That's more curiosity. Could you be specific if you think I'm off base?

 

[warpus]

He has a point, though. It's a bit rich for people to be nay-saying what Sweden is doing when their own countries are not pulling their weight.

It's like asking a guy who's giving lots of money to charity, "So what are you going to do about your retirement, huh?" This coming from people who hardly give a penny would only make those people seem like diaper-wearing libertarians still living in their parents' basements.

No he doesn't, because he's refused to respond to any of the points I'm making.

It's like responding with "I like cheese". It might be a good point in a vacuum, but it's not at all relevant to what I was asking.